Why are you allowing ingame purchases that cannot be used?

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So my daughter has finally been able to nag her mum enough to buy some gems with real money however in the mstaken belief that if she gets the saddle she actually gets the dragon she has wasted said money becuase of course the Death Saddle and Toothless Saddle she purchase with the gems from the money are worthless without the account having the Dragon. Cue tears etc. whilst I explain that she has wasted mums money however it does raise a pertinent question - why are you allowing ingame purchases that cannot be used?

 

Why haven't you restricted purchases to things that you can actually use? It cant be that hard to incorporate, indeed every other online game that I know of that allows either decorative or functional type character equipment will ONLY let you buy it is you have the prerequisite character. The cynic in me says the only reason is to capitalise on the sort of mistakes my daughter just made (a lesson learnt).

 

I understand your "no refund" policy becuase of course there can be buyers remorse and I wouldn't expect you to refund those however to allow you to actually purchase something that you cannot use in my mind is either very poor or lazy programming or, if it is by design, well then that to me is pretty unethical.

 

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beacuse they said it was a

beacuse they said it was a saddle no hate but she should have read the description  where in it dose it say you get the dragon and why would you its not her fault its nobody's fault really ,

players first dragon from a egg and they sell eggs the dragon showing off the saddle it like a mannequin to show the saddle off on you dragon

no plus this game is only a year old and frankly you shouldent use bad words the fourum has rules agnst it

plus they are nice people i have spoken to one of admins he was very polite and nice and there the programers to im sure they would never intend to rip someone off

 

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Hey.

Hey, she was probably pretty young. She simply didn't know, younger children make those kinds of mistakes! Also, he didn't swear, but used harsh language. There's a difference, you know. Don't mean to sound rude, sorry if I did.

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i said it was no ones fault

i said it was no ones fault and he said the p word thats a curse if you wouldent say it in a kindergarden with any decency its a semi bad word

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Well...

This seems like a mistake I would've made when I was younger. You probably know this now, but you need to get a dragon egg of the respective type to have it wear the saddle. Toothless, however, is a special dragon, restricted to people that have a 3 month membership. Honestly, your problem probably didn't come to mind while the devs were designing it. Your Daughter can still get the Dragon and put the saddle on, if she wants, but that would be more gems. If you sign up for a membership, you get 500 gems monthly, this is a slow process, but can get you more dragons among other things.

 

I do think there should be a new message that pops up if you don't have the dragon and attempt to buy the saddle, something like "WARNING: You don't have a (insert dragon of the saddle you're trying to buy here), you need to hatch one first. Buy a (dragon type here) egg first!" and it then either asks you if you still want to proceed with the purchase, or it simply doesn't let you buy the saddle.

 

The SoD team should either refund your money or give you an egg of a Whispering Death, though. (Sadly, Toothless is a 3 month membership deal, so they couldn't give you him. If you want, you can get Toothless if you buy a 3 month membership)

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no they shouldent

um sorry this will probally come off as rude but 

no they shouldent have to give you a free thing for a childs misteak because what if eveyone buys a saddle then complains then the game would have to shut dwn because everyone lied

its not pratical for business and it was a error on their side the people who made this game used the dragon as a display thing and most likely dident intend for them to think that 

 

im very sorry of i sounded rude on any of my  posts but we need to reason in there side 

because mainstream culture has made bussiness out to be big evil dudes there just trying to make money just like the guy that drives to work for a boss

 

and a refund would be nice id love it if you got one but they shouldent have to unless they can take back the saddles because she still got a saddle out of it even if she cant use it 

 

 

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Um...

This guy just spent money on something he cannot use, so if they can't refund his money, they should at least give him SOMETHING for his trouble. They should just refund the money after he gives them proof of purchase, though.

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i think if they take the

i think if they take the saddles then a refund would be nice but a free egg is to far

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I guess.

Have you ever been to a restaurant, and they get your order wrong. So, they take back your food and get you what you ordered? A lot of the time, they will give you a little something extra (usually so they don't get sued or something). This is how I'm thinking about it. Now, if a bunch of people collectively had this issue, they would not all get free eggs, because you would be losing too much income. But this can be an exception, can it not?

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But you see, they didn't get

But you see, they didn't get your order wrong. You simply misunderstood the menu item. Really, it's a very simple  mistake for a child to make, so a refund would be nice. However, going as far as giving a free egg is too much.

 

If the person making the mistake was an adult or teen, then personally I wouldn't give a refund. If it was me who's making a mistake, then I deserve to pay for the mistake. The SoD Team shouldn't have to compensate for my own error.

 

Of course, it would help in the future (since this mainly a child's game) to give a pop-up warning before purchese of a saddle. Though I would advise the dad to check in the forums or chat before making a purchese (if you are not familiar with the game) because your child is still young, and can make many mistakes.

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Agreed. If you were to tell

Agreed.

If you were to tell your waitor/waitress, "oops I accidentally ordered the wrong entree...I thought that said grilled chicken not fried," they will 9.9999/10 not replace your order. Why? Because you made the mistake, they did not...and most times they don't like replacing the food, let alone giving more or extras.

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Actually...

What I mean by that, is that they accidently put something on your order or forgot to put something on, not misread it. Either way, I'm tired of arguing if my point will never be understood.

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I understand your point

I understand your point clearly, but your point is irrelevant in this situation. The "restaraunt" did not put something extra on the order in this case - the consumer MADE the wrong decision and it is solely their fault, not the restaraunt's.

   The purchase was due to misconception, or misreading what they were purchasing.

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You shouldn't say that the programmers are lazy or that theire programming is poor, because making a massive online 3D world for thousands of players isn't quite simple. They work very hard, bringing us new features and dragons really fast and doing theire best to correct mistakes. Sorry if I sounded rude. Didn't mean it like that.

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Look .......

Look - to me the very fact that Toothless can only be "played" by a significant monetary commitment (3+ months membership) speaks volumes. I mean lets face it - the target audience is kids, young kids so of course they all want to play Toothless but I didnt comment about questionable (in my opinion of course) monetary mechanics - No I asked a simple question - why allow kids to purchase stuff they can't actually use?

 

You make a valid suggestion @Scottnov - at the very least a warning would have helped.

 

I know mistakes happen etc. and as I said in the original post its a lesson learnt with the upside being it has provided me an oppurtunity to educate her as to some of the more questionable monitsed game mechanics (I see they can watch videos or do surveys to get gems - well done LOL) and further allowed me to encourage my daughter to simply not support or play such a game.

 

@lonkodektes - yep massive online 3D world yada yada but lets not forget that essentially it is just a vehicle to try and get kids to part with $$

 

I still say that allowing players to purchase items that cannot be used (and the fact they could be used at a future date if $x is spent doesnt count as far as I am concerned) is either poor/lazy programming or very questionable (I mean that no refund policy is very handy revenue wise).

 

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yada yada xD

yeah you know they have to live from something :3

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1.the reason you can buy that

1.the reason you can buy that stuff before you have the dragon is there because maby you plan on geting one and want it

2.the admins have more pressing matters to program they work very hard to program 

they are working on deadly glitches hackers/cheaters and other bad things they need to fix some bugs 

3. i know your kid made a innocent misteak we all do and a warning would be nice

sorry if i have been rude but im saying my thoughts

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Toothless was going to be for

Toothless was going to be for all members, but a lot of people protested it, because they wanted him to be "rare". So the Devs made Toothless to be a 3+ month membership only.

 

But a warning before making a purchase would be good to lessen the chances of making mistakes.

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OK.......

Diamond Racer wrote:

Toothless was going to be for all members, but a lot of people protested it, because they wanted him to be "rare". So the Devs made Toothless to be a 3+ month membership only.

 

LOL - seriously? A "lot" of people protested it? This is a game based on the "how to train your dragon" IP (you know the whole thing is based around Toothless) - there is ONLY 1 reason why Toothless is sitting behind a paywall - and let me tell you its not becuase people protested it or to make him "rare" LOL

 

As I said above I think this speaks volumes - I dont agree with it and see it for what it is (a lever to get kids to part with their money) but hey - it is what it is. Both my kids love the franchise and TBH I quite enjoy it as well so it's disapointing to see such questionable grabs for money (and attempts to manipulate kids) but I guess thats marketting these days (Case in point is the how to train your dragon 2 movie tie in game - how crap was that LOL).

 

This morning when the kids got to have computer time before school there was no mention of "school of dragons" and rather she opted to play Minecraft - as I said there was an upside to her mistake ;)

 

 

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tons of people protested

just search the fourum you will find protesters even in the new ones 

 

 

and dreamworks and jumpstart are a business and need to make money and this is a honest business if you click the discription of a item nowhere dose it say you will get the dragon it says 

______ SADDLE and if you read that with her maby she wouldent have bought it 

and im very sorry you lost ten bucks but the items are still there

 

maby some day you could get her a three month then she could get bolth dragons

first you would have to buy the 3 month membership then you get 500 gems (a month) a stable and toothless spen the 500 on a whisspering death and go into the stables put the egg on the pedastel and wait 12 hours

of course with the way you have talked i assume your not going to buy anything from them anymore 

 

and if you went to buy a bag of dog food froma store with the no reaturn policy but dont have a dog than thats not the stores fault they dident know you dident have a dog and this game is only a year old it has not been around long enought for the programers to make unimportant addins there are hundreds of people asking for bugfixes new things and the needs of the many are more important then the few 

 

im sorry if this was rude but im speaking what i feel and i have tryed to be fairly polite the last few times 

 

EDIT:p.s. again the games a year old and programing takes forever and if they make a change and dont take out the kinks it could kill the game

 

edit 2:i am going to get so much trouble for this post 

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this subject needs a admin to come set things straight

we could really use a admin

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For the whole Toothless thing

For the whole Toothless thing you can actually get proof of what Diamond said here by an admin.

You can view the post here: http://forum.schoolofdragons.com/content/save-game-no-nightfurys?page=1

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I can understand where you're

I can understand where you're coming from POD.  I would be upset too.  I have a younger neice that likes to play on this game as well and before I part with ANY money, I always look at what they're trying to purchase.  I sit down with her and I tell her the pros and cons.  The good thing about Toothless, if a three month is purchased, you can cancel the membership and still keep the dragon.  The downside is yes, he is behind a paywall.  In a way, I'm actually grateful that the dragon is.  Here are my reasons why.

 

1.  It gets parents involved in what they are doing online.  Obviously if a kid wants to buy something from online, then they have to get the parent's (your) permission.  At that time, and I do this with my youngest neice, I sit down with her and ask why she wants to buy the (insert item or whatever here) and then have her show me what exactly it is she's wanting to purchase.  I can't tell you how many times I've sat down with my neice and read over what she was wanting to purchase and have declined.

 

2.  Its the perfect time to have a very important discussion.  You are the parent of I'm sure a very wonderful young daughter and there's no mistaking she's very smart too.  While she may want an online purchase, sit down with her and explain to her your reasons for not buying the said item.  This is a great tool in which she can learn how to discern what is a "good" purchase, and what is a "bad" purchase.  In the end, it can be to help teach responsibility.  While it may be great to have Toothless, maybe she could earn the money instead by helping around the house for other games or even this one.  She could help in the garden if you have one, help you wash a car or truck, clean her room, and just give her ways to earn it.  Its harder to spend money that you have earned because you want to make those good purchases.

 

3.  Its a great time to spend with her and learn what she's doing online as mentioned above.  If it was a bad site, obviously you would not want your daughter on there.  Again, it gets the parent involved.  Have a sit down with her and go over what they want from her in the site.  This protects kids from unwanted predators and yes, I'm sure she learned a very valuable lesson from this mistake.  The point here is adult supervision.

 

Now as for the cons:

 

1.  Yes, I'm sure you've been supervising, asking questions, and such.  You're doing wonderful with your daughter and that's admirable.  Mistakes happen.  Try PMing the Admins, Brynjolf, and dropping the suggestion to "unlock" the item for when they have the dragon.  While this game is great, its not flawless and that is where careful consideration should come in.

 

2.  Again I can understand why you are so ticked off.  You feel it to be a way to part money from kids.  I can't say for sure if it is or not.  However, I will have a conversation with my neice whenever she wants to purchase anything.  I have her sit down and show me exactly what it is and then I research it prior to parting with my money.  Kids can be very convincing especially when pleading with those beautiful eyes.  If nothing else, ask if you could get the gems refunded.

 

3.  As stated, this game is not perfect and its being worked on constantly.  There are dangers there that we as adults would not like to see, mostly hackers and cheaters.  The Admins, even though they are doing what they can, are also focusing on helping to get rid of that problem in School of Dragons.

 

My advice?  Sit down on your daughter's account some time and play with it.  I don't let my neice on unless I'm with her in-game with her and/or sitting right beside her.  That way, I know what is what and I can talk to her as we play the game together.  Do the flying, the games, the purchasing with credits, which are earnable by games and farming, so that you can see what its actually like.  This problem could be easily resolved by sitting down and discussing it on her level what is going on and what is being asked for.  Who knows, it could be great quality time together.  If she decides to play this game again, I hope you'll take some of this to consideration.  I feel for your anger and that you feel deceived, and no, sometimes its not fair.  This could be a great teaching tool or the worst disaster.  Its up to you, the parent, though to make that decision.

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Wow!

Beautifully said Ligra, you practically have spoken my mind and feelings when I read POD's post(s).

 

(this is for POD)

I do just want to add, that in order for SoD to continue to thrive and create more content, Jumpstart (owner of the site) does require a steady monetary flow in order to do so. Making money is not evil, and SoD's intention is not purely to "part children from their money." If that is the case, then I would say that Minecraft is doing the same by forcing children to pay money for it, or any game or toy they want.

 

SoD strives to encorporate education into their MMO. Furthermore, those "lazy" programmers created School of Dragons to be a safe virtual hangout for young children where they can freely socialize,(chat) build clans, (groups/clubs)  express their creativity, and again all while they are being educated...I would say that is a BIG pro to this game and site. (I really cannot see that much educational material in Minecraft vs SoD - just only creativity)

 

This MMO is still fairly new...it is very common to experience minor-major bumps in the programming because it is techincally still just starting out. Already, this game has grown and changed in so many ways its unbelievable.

     I do agree there are changes that should be made, one being a "lock" if you will, that bars the purchase of unusable items, but still allows players to view that particular item. Also a password protected purchase would also be nice - something that requires parents to enter their password to purchase any gem store purchse. For now though, I think it should be the parent's responsibility to notify their children on making smart purchases - talk to them and let them know that buying a dragon's saddle does not mean they will be awarded that particular dragon. Or tell them that they need to ask for permission to even make the purchase to begin with...make it a reward for getting their chores done, or completeing their homework; this game can definitely be used as a tool for a parent's benefit, pending if the parent chooses to do so.

 

 

*And as a side note* Yes. Many players "protested" adding Toothless into the game. Yes they did not want him added because they claimed "he is too rare," and that it would "ruin the game." Therefore, the programmers, listening to the major negative feedback, decided to make Toothless more difficult to obtain by making him ONLY obtainable through a minimum 3 month subscription. So yes, this decission was made on behalf the PLAYER'S forum comments. The admins have even confirmed this on another forum thread - If you would just take the time to do some research.

 

My advice? Instead of posting a negative public forum thread, instead privately PM a SoD administraitor. Or better yet, e-mail or call the Jumpstart tech support and explain the situation (calmly) and see what they can do for you...

 

 

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a aggre with ligra while the

a aggre with ligra while the game needs to make money like i said 5 times and it still dident get through some peoples heads finally ligra was able to you still need to supervise what goes on "the internet is not a babysitr nor a thing you dont have to supervise 

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Ligra is right--   It's up to

Ligra is right--

 

It's up to the player to understand how the games works and therefore up to you--the guardian of the player--to understand how the games works.  When allowing your young child to handle what is essentially real money, you should have played an active part in what she was spending it on.  You wouldn't give your child $10 and then let her run loose in the store and let her buy whatever she finds--and then complain to the store manager that she has no use for what she bought because she thought it was one thing but it wasn't. 

 

If a kid that young is playing this game, it's your responsibility to make sure she doesn't make these kinds of mistakes.  A person who understands how the game works has every right to buy a saddle for their dragon before they buy the egg (what if it's on sale or a limited time offer?).  The programmers are not obligated to eliminate that privilage because of young children who are maybe too young to be playing this game in the first place.

 

There's also nothing wrong with hardworking game designers asking for some money for the game they're mostly letting you play for free.  Please be a little grateful.

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Sleepyraccoon wrote:

You wouldn't give your child $10 and then let her run loose in the store and let her buy whatever she finds--and then complain to the store manager that she has no use for what she bought because she thought it was one thing but it wasn't. 

 

Applause! Very nice comparison for this situation! My thoughts EXACTLY...when dealing with "real money" purchases, parents should be aware on what their children (minors) are spending said money on. It is very important parents experience the games and play them before letting their children play, to avoid situations such as this.

    App stores now require an imput of a password before even downloading a free app due to parents not watching what their kids are doing on their devices - I had a friend that never watched their son when he was playing on their iPad...to make a long story short, they received a letter of a bill invoice for a whopping $200+ all spent on in-game purchases. They were completely oblivious that their credit card information had been saved onto their device, giving their son free access to make the purchases.

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me to i said it was like her

me to i said it was like her buying ddog food without a dog and the store wouldent know that its not sodsfault

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Oh I missed that post for

Oh I missed that post for some reason...but nontheless, it is an also good comparison Block!

And I do agree that giving out a free egg is going a little too far...there is afterall a warning that states there are no refunds in gem purchases.

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I agree with Ligra, and whats the point of saying LOL to reply the comment that someone post this on your thread that makes you laugh out loud or what? Totally it is stupid to laugh out loud on serious comment that has not funny or what ya think it is not true for what you think. 

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it makes me mad when people

it makes me mad when people come on the fourum and bad talk the programers they work hard and so do the fourum admins i assume they are programers too and they slave over the computer theyr houres and the company is not evil they wanna make moneyjust like you pod you have a job and wanna make money andthey never intended fort that to happen

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it makes me mad when people

it makes me mad when people come on the fourum and bad talk the programers they work hard and so do the fourum admins i assume they are programers too and they slave over the computer theyr houres and the company is not evil they wanna make moneyjust like you pod you have a job and wanna make money andthey never intended fort that to happen

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He said "LOL" because he was

He said "LOL" because he was being rude and immature - plain and simple. 

Whats even more enraging is his "expertise" on why the administraitors made Toothless a member exclusive dragon; not to mention his outlandish accusation that School of Dragons is simply a money hungry site...I mean do a little research - the information is there.

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that was for the wrong page

those pics where for a different page sorry

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I did some background checking on jumpstart and knowledge adventure before I started playing the game. They actually have a good past and actually do want to make software for kids to have fun and learn. I don't think they are money grubbing at all. I think right now with this being a new game there is a precedent to get money in to better build the game. I do get a little frustrated with spending money on a game that glitches but I realize that they are trying to probably get funds to improve things. Money doesn't magically appear and it takes money to do anything in this world.
Servers are not cheap nor is the overhead of the people building the game. We have to understand that the builders are people too and often its not their choice on what gets fixed, they answer to a higher boss. If the boss wants X fixed then they have to fix X and wait to fix C- if they ignore orders they could get fired and thats not in their interest either. For now I am going to give the company a thumbs up and a nod. While I wish they would fix some things to better help game play I will hold back my final judgement for a while.

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So it looks like I brought out the fanboys...

Fanboy, there is a reason I used that which I will get to but first - for the record - let me be 100% clear - I never asked for a refund or for any admins to 'fix" my daughters mistake etc.

 

She made a mistake - lesson learnt.

 

Let me repeat that - she made a mistake - lesson learnt.

 

Not sure why some of you felt you needed to offer comment or advice on parenting - but it looks like you have gotten some validation by subsequent posts so I guess your time typing them was not in vain. I am not going to get into a discussion on how I choose to parent my kids or the specifics of how I choose to deal with issues and mistakes - I provided a bit of backstory - guess I should have known that some would choose to focus on that.

 

I made a 1 off comment here along with an email to support to highlight what I saw as an issue - why allow ingame purchases that cannot be used? That still stands. OK - I offered a reason as I saw it (poor/lazy programming) and commented that if it was by design I saw that as unethical. In all honesty I am sure the push was to simply provide the shop front and load it with everything and then as it was "working" they moved onto other things. Looking at some of the threads on the forum its obvious its not a mature product and is plagued by issues - so yes I guess other priorities. Perhaps my email/thread sees an entry on a to-do list - if so YAY.

 

See its NOT real life (for those that want to draw parralels) - Its a virtual shop front - If you have items that have dependencies (i.e. a saddle for a specific dragon that can ONLY be worn if you OWN the specific dragon) then good design is to not let you buy it unless you OWN the parent item. Maybe thats a sign of a more mature shopfront - maybe I will check back in a year and see if they have been able to implement it or are still plagued by "issues".

 

For those of you that think the decision to put Toothless behind a paywall was anything other than a strategy to increase membership revenue - you are deluded. As I said I dont agree with it but there is no doubt that the decision has driven membership thus $$. There is no doubting it was a bussiness decision - if you consider the aim of business is to make money then well done to them - it will certainly have made them more money than if Toothless wasn't behind a paywall.

 

So why did I use the term fanboy (and no its not to be a rude or immature)? Its what you are - you are passionate about the game and thats why you on here commenting and contributing etc. (and trying to shoot down the upstart). Nothing wrong with that. 

 

Now I have no idea what the numbers are but lets just throw out some randoms - lets say 100,000 accounts are registered and playing the game. I would be supprised if even 1000 of those are active on these forums in any way and of these maybe a 100 hundred (the real passionate fanboys - they want the good stuff like Toothless to be all theirs becuase they know they are going to throw money at it) are vocal about "lets keep Toothless "rare"" etc.

 

So lets see - the company is going to base design decisons that directly impact revenues on the "vocal" feedback of maybe 1% of the propsed user base? Remember I am just using dummy figures but you get the idea - so a small (compared to the user base - remember only a small % will ever use the forums etc.) % of people complain. This particular design decison will probably drive what - 80%, 90%, maybe more much more of total revenue and you think they are doing it because a handful of fanboys want Toothless to be exclusive - Now that is LOL

 

Good luck with your game folks - enjoy it.

 

 

 

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I can see no research was put

I can see no research was put into what you are claiming with Toothless...did you not read the quote from one of the School of Dragon's administraitors? Ridiculous. Do some research. The admins WERE going to make Toothless an "open dragon" that non-members could purchase - their decission was changed when they received such massive feed back to make him more difficult to obtain. I can see you are still not aware of this.

       Understand that the forum users hold a BIG voice on this game - even more so then those who just play the game. Have you even taken the liberty to notice the "Suggestions" section, where players voice their opinions? A lot of the decissions (what dragons to add, etc) have been made through the forum users, or people on Facebook. Using "dummy numbers" is irrelevant, you cannot claim to know what drives the programmers in SoD if you do not even have real percentages or facts to back you up - and may I remind you that a company MUST make money to keep afloat? Surely you should know this...Not to mention this game IS already free to play, and there are MANY users that have not made a single purchase or have saved up their reward gems to purchase a new dragon, saddle, etc.

 

It states clearly on what your daughter purchased was a dragon's saddle, not a dragon. If I go out and purchase a horse's saddle, should I automatically think a horse should be included? I think not. I am glad you realize the mistake made...but if you have not even attempted to contact support, then you have no buisness posting such negativity on a children's forum - yes this is a forum designed for children. Also the use of curse words is prohibited on here as well - would you like your children reading an angry parent's rampage with curse words? I certainly would not. I also do not appreciate your condensending/demeaning attitude, it is highly immature and not adult-like in any manner.

     Your ideas on how to modify the store is good, don't get me wrong, but your attitude and delivery has not been so stellar. I can understand your frustration and anger - but contact support FIRST before you rable rouse. If they cannot help you, then post your situation and suggestions in the appropriate section - the "Suggestions" section in a civil and non-rash manner.

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I literally posted a screen shot of it and gave a link to where he could find it as well for the whole Toothless argument. That's just sad imo if he doesn't believe it after that. 

 

I'd like to add there was even a poll at one point on the forums asking users what they'd like to see next to the whole admins take suggestions seriously. Because all of the poll options were suggestions forum users put on here.

 

Very well said Orca.

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Thanks, Its sad that he is in

Thanks,

Its sad that he is in such a blind rage to toss logic out the window - especially when undeniable evidence is shown. I was just shocked that he still continues to think we are the ones "deluded" when the administraitors actually commented on why the sudden change/decision was made to make Toothless a member exclusive dragon.

 

I also added the definition of calling someone a "fanboy" as I see it needs to be brought to the attention of others that it IS a put down word. Any "adult " who is putting down children, is more a child themselves in my opinion...

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+1 on your above post!

+1 on your above post! :)

Might I add that if he thinks that the people behind SoD are money hungry, and that everything they do is to bring in $$, then he should try getting his kids to play other online games.

There are not many games that are as generous as SoD.

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Thanks c: +1 on your post as well! X3

Very much agreed!

 

when I first began playing SOD, I was completely shocked that one could play the game for free, and that nothing (so far) has required an actual purchase - you can play all the games, access all the map locations, use gold to buy stuff, and much more without ever having to spend a single penny - And I am sure you know players who have played SOD in such a manner; I know I have friends who are non-members and own only one dragon, and are amazing vikings! c:

    The only time you would need to make a purchase is if you wanted multiple dragons, more stables, gem items, etc. And even then, one could argue that players can earn free gems (through offers and daily rewards) and save them to purchase gem items. 

 

It gets me very upset when people claim buisnesses, website, etc are "money hungry" when in reality they are far from it. I mean, yes they do need to make money, but so does every other corporation, buisness, mom and pop shop, even non-profit organizations. Money is needed to grow and improve...without it, SOD would not have the admins or programmers working hard to improve the game and add new content.

     Besides, Jumpstart is a very respectable company and I even grew up using their products to learn when I was a kid. Their computer games were always great and very educational! :) 

 

I agree...if he is so deep in thought that this is a "bad" site, then simply do not have your kids play it. His loss...its an amazing MMO. I mean, how many MMOs are out there, that are actually eductional and safe for younger kids to play? I cannot even think of a single one that comes close to comparison...

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In short, this person is

In short, this person is continuing to argue about something they've already been proven wrong about with evidence (the Toothless thing).  Continues to make arguements about the relationship of the game and forum based only on assumptions without actual evidence or research.  Apparently hard working folk trying to make an honest living is a sin.  And for a parent raising a child they are quite immature and rude (even though they claim otherwise, because apparently screaming "LOL" in someone's face isn't rude nor is calling people who dare to disagree with your opinions "fanboys")

 

Again, there is NOTHING wrong with the way the shop is.  You have every right to buy a saddle before you buy the dragon.  It is assumed you are smart enough to realize the dragon itself isn't included.  It has nothing to do with lazy programming.  Just common sense in part of the player.  End of story.

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agreed

I have yet to come across a single game that wont let you buy something with out posession of the object required to use it. It is assumed you know what is needed before you buy something. I like the way the shop is and I like there is a preview of the saddle on the dragon its suppose to go on. The only thing I wish they would change is the gem system when altering your dragons colors, I paid to alter my dragons colors and the game crashed and it didnt save what I had it as so I am out 15 gems which is a bummer but worse things could happen I guess. I wish you could alter your dragon without paying first and you had to click "accept" before it charges you just in case of game crashes. 

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Agreed

This individual is very immature and rude...he mocked us for taking the time to type a long response, but then turned around and took the time to do so as well. Not to mention the "making money is a sin" is a childish accusation that he has used - there is no hidden agenda other than education while they play. School of Dragons is not tieing children down and forcing them to pay to even access the game to begin with - you can easily play the game without spending a single penny. Also, surely an adult would understand how a company/buisness/website must gain money to put it back into their product, right?

 

You know, you are right - the store should not bar players from purchasing items, even if they do not own that dragon or whatever. I agree on the idea of yours, " what if it is on sale and your intentions are to purchase that dragon or item later?" This is a valid point....I mean this would be upsetting if you could not purchase an item when it went on sale, just due to the fact you do not own that dragon or item. I think a password protected purchase would better suit the store - that way older players (who know their password) would always be able to make purchased 24/7, while parent's of younger players could keep the password to themselves so that the child would need to ask for permission.

    Though again, I still think it should be the parent or guardian's responsibility to supervise what their younger children are doing on the game, and what they are using their money to purchase.

 

I do want to state though, that there is NO excuse on the idividual being this negative and rude on the forum when he has not even attempted to call support or privately contact an administraitor - point and blank.

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I understand the angle he is

I understand the angle he is coming from, if there was a Prompt... asking "Are you sure you want to make this purchase? Click Here", maybe there would be less gems wasted, I have read many that get carried away with the clicking, my daughter has done this, either way, purchasing a saddle before or after, the game wants the money lol. I understand his principle.. without dwelling on parantal skills, this game is certainly not designed for ages 2-5, unless they are geniuses that can figure this type of thought process...decision making/   strategy out... without any prompts...my 2 cents

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age brackets

"With the launch of School of Dragons on Facebook, and the age for Facebook registrations being at the top of the game’s 8-13 year old target age range, JumpStart’s assumption would be that players younger than 13 would play the game on Facebook using their parents’ accounts."

http://www.insidesocialgames.com/2013/11/12/jumpstart-and-dreamworks-partner-for-school-of-dragons-on-facebook-browser/ 

Thought this might be of some use. It breaks down what ages are target for the game. Note this is for the facebook log in but I am sure the age bracket stays pretty solid regardless of platform. I feel like designers felt 8-13 year olds should be able to understand that the saddle doesnt include the dragon. 

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Enough Said

I'm just going to leave what I said as what I said.  I feel that enough has been said so there's no point dragging this out more and that.  The point I was trying to make seems to have fallen on deaf ears or someone that is just plainly too angry to see clearly.  So, therefor you will not see me post in this thread further.

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Picking on Kids is NOT being an adult!

I would like to bring to the attention of any who are involved in this forum:

 

Calling someone a "fanboy" is a derogatory term (its to put down another). This is COMPLETELY unacceptable behavior from a so called "adult" to demean and condensend on a children's forum. If anything, this is considered being a "troll" or those who intentionally pick on/bully others.

 

Don't believe me? Here is the definiton taken directly from the dictionary:

 

fan·boy
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  1. informalderogatory
    a male fan, especially one who is obsessive about movies, comic books, or science fiction.

 

 

 

 

Might I add that some of the commentors on this thread are also NOT males???? I think you need to think more carefully before using words you do not know the definitions to, especially when putting down children.

 

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This actually bugged me, but I couldn't find out exactly how to put it. Luckily you put it perfectly, so thank you for this post Orca.