What does TITAN WING mean?

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You will know more than me about the "alpha mode" and the titan wing.
In my opinion they are two different things and I am going to explain how I see it. Reply what you think and what you think is the best definition.
The "alpha mode" doesn't really exist, I think they called it that because Toothless used his secret ability to beat the alpha and become himself in one.
And the TITAN WING is when a dragon develops better that makes it bigger and stronger than others of its kind. Take for example the Monstrous Nightmare that Hookfang faced in the Race To The Edge chapter. I clearly remember that they called it a TITAN WING Nightmare, and it was bigger than a normal Monstrous Nightmare. What I understand is that a TITAN WING is a larger and stronger (and intimidating) dragon than the rest of his species, which would be worth him as a leader.
I don't know if I'm explaining myself but I'm still... so taking this, our dragons are the bigger and stronger version than other dragons when we turn it into a titan. I mean it is shown because they have a growth change.
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Yep!
I believe the content of the post is about the different theories on the subject, so allow me to respectfully disagree XD
 
I don't like to think that Hiccup trained a dragon who coincidentally had an ability strong enough to be an alpha. For me this borders on the magical, which does not match the "scientific" theme of the franchise. So, I prefer to keep thinking that Toothless has really become a Titan-Wing.
 
And speaking of Titan-Wing...
 
Most believe that Titan-Wings are based on the growth process of reptiles where they only get bigger. But on closer inspection, Titan-Wings appear to be based on the Salamander metamorphosis process found primarily in Axolotls. As many know, various mythologies preach Salamanders as dragons and fire spirits, and it seems to me that the franchise merged these mythological facts with science to create the dragons. That's why we literally have a Dragon-bird Cockatrice (Deadly Nadder), a flying cobra/Apophis (Slitherwing) and literally a ghost (Flightmare) present in the franchise.
The series clearly shows us Titan-Wings with little difference in appearance so as not to confuse viewers with a new dragon, but the concept of dragons completely changing their appearance and/or gaining details they didn't have before appears to be as plausible as the first theory.
So yes, I believe the most plausible and "complete" Titan-Wings are those that change more detail in appearance than just size, and I believe the plasm line on Toothless's back was also a Titan-Wing transformation.
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I think it means something different depending on if you're looking at the game lore or the movie and show lore.

In the movies and show a titan wing is indeed a really large varient of its kind. (Though even then the screaming d.eath is a different type of titanwing then what the book of dragons short discribes)

If the book of dragons short is to be believed when dragons get really old they become titanwings for a while before hitting the aging process.

But evidently that's not the only type of titanwing there is given the Screaming D.eath was reffered to as one by Fishlegs.

It may be a case where there is an "Offical" scientific version of the word and then there is a generalized version people use in random conversation.

Kind of like a scientific Theory is actually not another word for Hypothisis but is often used as such in common languige because within different context the deffinition changes.

So perhaps titanwing can reffer to both a stage of growth but also abnormalitys within dragon populations.

 

(Or maybe the writers just goofed but finding explanations is fun)

 

The game version though....it's basically a pokemon evolution.

Down to useing stones (the runes) like an Evee.

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On the other side, if we

On the other side, if we ignore the scient stuff and focus on what dreamwork trying to make sense of their own lore through interview then it's basically boiled down to the simplesr term of this;

 

Titan wing  is age thing.

Alpha mode is Pushing body to the limit thing. 

 

They have said that Alpha mode is not exclusively to Toothless and if there's the alternate universe where Hiccup trainned a gronckle and love it so much it goes against the alpha then it can have the Alpha mode.

 

Titan wing is basically old dragon. They grew big, their spikes grew and curve to the extreme. They loose some body parts and grew some body parts over time. For games which this concept was introduced, it needed to be more marketable, more different and game mechanic friendly which is why it less like an age thing and more like pokemon evolution. When this concept is "Canonnized" in other media, it became more subtle and less pokemon-like in order to make sense realistically , Like RTTE Titan Nightmare and Dramillion being just the bigger version of themselves. Dragons that introduced after dramillion also now have subtler titan form in rise of berks, like Eruptodon and all the Hybrids.

 

Titan wing also is a term use similary like "Leviathan" to just call big dragon in general.

 

Could Alpha mode toothless/Light fury also be titan? I do think so. I do think Alpha Light fury is actually Titan light fury because her dorsal fin is now developed. Night fury having splitted spike as they grew older is also a reasonable developement as well as if they grew older they can have more fire power burning up on the inside, maybe not all the dragon developing alpha mode is of Titan age and not all Titan dragon can have alpha mode but it can also go along with each other maybe. Toothless discover a technique alpha night fury would have at the ripe age of just 20 in order to fight the alpha.

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The difference between the alpha mode and the titan wing stage is that the alpha mode is a level of advancement in specifically Toothless' capabilities, while the titan wing stage is a level of growth that enables the dragon to reach its full potential.

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The difference between the alpha mode and the titan wing stage is that the alpha mode is a level of advancement in specifically Toothless' capabilities, while the titan wing stage is a level of growth that enables the dragon to reach its full potential.

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i think you'll find titan evolution and its affects are different for every dragon species. it's heavily implied, and even confirmed in the game titan uprising that toothless' "alpha mode" is part of his titan evolution. maybe it's a dissapointing answer to some but night fury are a realatively small species compared to other dragons and yes, toothless is also young. it makes sense he doesn't grow drastically in size. 

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Titan wing is a stage of growth, simple as that.

"Titan wing" is a stage of growth, simple as that. A dragon has 5 stages of life (levels of maturity), which are egg, tiny tooth, short wing, broad wing and titan wing, comparable to how humans can be baby, child, adolescent, adult and elderly. Titan dragons gain more strength and go through a second growth spurt, leading to their large size.

 

As a dragon's age and size are pretty much linked together, a huge dragon will most likely be an elder, and in turn, an elder will be of immense size. Such old and huge Titan wings in the franchise include the Red Death, the two Bewilderbeasts, the Shellfire, Hookfang's nemesis and Krogan's Singetail.

 

It is important to note that Titan wing is not some sort of "super-evolution" which can be reached by doing activities or using magic runes. A broad wing dragon will gradually become a titan wing, with no clear line seperating the two, and their appearance only changes slightly. The SoD and RoB titans are not true portrayals.

 

"Alpha mode", as fans very much like to call it, is a temporary power boost where a dragon gains higher firepower and shot limit. It's a phase that every species goes through when/if they decide to challenge the reigning Alpha. Due to the creative choices the film writers took in the third movie, this boost is not battle exclusive, and can be activated in everyday circumstances, as well as possibly lead to the discovery of new abilities. Toothless demonstrated this when he entered his alpha display and gained his cloaking ability.

 

Again, contrary to popular belief, Alpha mode is not equal to, and is not dependent on being a Titan wing. Toothless, depsite his access to this power, is not a titan, but a broad wing dragon. He'll be considered a titan once he is old (and large) enough, which might very well be a long way ahead of him. (It would be easy to tell if he became one, as he would be twice, thrice or even more times larger than he originally is).

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Yep!
Titan Wing as a growth stage would make sense from the concept of reptile growth in general. But this induces a big hole in the script: if it's just a growth stage, why is it so rare?
 
The vast majority of dragons do not have a predator, with the exception of Skrill - Snow Wraith - Singetail and Shellfire - Submaripper which are always fighting each other. If it's a growth process like any other, adult dragons would all be destined to be Titan Wings and would be extremely common in the wild. It's not what happens.
 
Apparently, the concept of literally "evolving" is not such a far-fetched thing. If we consider that the dragons in the franchise are all hybrids of various animals, many behaviors can be explained, including a small part of the Salamander concept - more precisely, Axolotls.

 
This not only explains the different look, it also explains the gain of some abilities that the Broad-Wings don't have, such as the Titan Dramillion's Camouflage ability, the gain of paralyzing spikes on Titan Flightmare's tail and bioluminescence on Titan Cavern Crasher's body. 
 
This also explains why they are not common. They are a rare event that cannot be easily reproduced in the wild, in some way.
The series never says exactly how they come about, it just implies that they are extremely rare and powerful. In addition, the series also seems to avoid drastic design changes. After all, if fans have already confused a Flightmare with a Skrill, why wouldn't they mistake a Titan Wing for a different species? The developers didn't seem willing to get it wrong twice.
 
It's exactly this concept that RoB and SoD were inspired by: in RoB it's the Ice Stakes from the Bewilderbeast in the Sanctuary of Valka, and the SoD is the Titan Runes. These would be the cause of the metamorphosis, and that's the reason they are rare and change their appearance so much.
 
So, to me, Titan Wings are proof that dragons are not an ordinary animal species. They are large, hybrid animal freaks that can do literally anything, from metamorphosing to hybridizing. They're also another sign that the franchise ended too soon - and with too many loose ends.
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It is rare, because just as

It is rare, because just as most animals, dragons don't live too long in the wild either. A "domesticated" dragon would be well kept, and thus have higher chances at aging into a titan, whereas a feral dragon could hidein combat aged only 3 years.

 

"the gain of paralyzing spikes on Titan Flightmare's tail"

Is this some SoD exclusive thing? Flightmares are never said to possess venomous spikes in the shows.

 

"The series never says exactly how they come about, it just implies that they are extremely rare and powerful."

The Book of Dragons short does indeed confirm titan wings are extremely rare.

 

"In addition, the series also seems to avoid drastic design changes."

The movies and the TV series had similar looking broad wings and titan wings because that's how they were meant to be. It wasn't the online games that dictated how the dragons would look like, but the people who actually worked on the movies (and series), the pillars on which the franchise rests. 

 

"After all, if fans have already confused a Flightmare with a Skrill"

No offense meant, but those fans were arguably not familiar enough with the Skrill's design. I mean, one has 2 legs, the other 4. One has head frills, the other doesn't. One glows, the other not. It was very hard to think the two were the same dragon, for me at least.