Things I hate (and things I love) about RoB/DoB/RTTE

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(because "Watch me mostly destroy the whole HTTYD tv series because I have nothing better to do" was too long for a title)

 

 

Hoi there, everyone!

 

So, You probably don't even remember about me but that's fine, that's my bad. I legit only interact with the forum when I have a problem in-game, and for some reason today I decided I'd like to be a bit more active on here without needing a glitch or a bug as input.

 

So I thought that the HTTYD franchise would be a good subject for a chill conversation. It's like an evergreen on here, so I thought I couldn't go wrong with that.

 

As the title suggests, I thought it would be a good change for me to talk about the tv series of Dreamworks: Dragons. I should specify I will not include Rescue Riders because A) I haven't watched it (and I don't intend to, due to the fact that I'm a little out of the target audience for that specific series) and B) overall don't really consider it relevant to the HTTYD trilogy storyline itself, judging by those very basic infos I got about it.

 

To put it down with Astrid's words, I'd like to give the honey first and then the hatchet, so I'll start with the things I love about certain aspects of Riders/Defenders and Race to the Edge and proceed with the things I'm not particularly fond of.

 

Please note most of my statements often just point out the obvious, so I'm sorry for saying things that might sound unoriginal to you.

I Would also like to point out that I'm well aware a good chunk of the things I'm not too fond of about the series are due to low budget reasons. That doesn't change the fact that Rise/Defenders and RTTE is my favourite tv series and comfort show, and I think there's nothing wrong in addressing its flaws as well as its credits!

 

 

Characters Insight

 

 

the honey:

 

I loved the work they put into exploring each Rider's personality throughout eight seasons, and the fact that in all them each of them had at least a couple episodes dedicated to them. I particularly enjoyed the depth they gave to Snotlout without completely robbing him of his essential characteristic of being an arrogant kid. I also really liked his BROTP dynamic with Tuffnut, and speaking of the latter I also loved how they handled his love/hate siblings relationship with Ruffnut. Props to how they handled characters that only appeared in the series, too. One of the reasons why I'm such a fervent Dagur Fangirl is because his redemption arc was, in my opinion, quite well written. (I still loved him before he had a redemption arc, but the fact that he got one made him even more likeable to me). Viggo and Ryker also were made into interesting characters and Johann's arc was also an umcommon trope that I greatly appreciated.

 

the hatchet:

 

In my opinion, especially in Race to the Edge, there was too much focus on Hiccstrid. Before anyone comes to me with pitchforks and torches I will say in my defense I'm not a fan of ships in general, nor the "damsel in distress" kinda trope. While I do like Astrid's strong personality in the first two movies (leaving the third one out of the count because she wasn't that much relevant plot-wise there), I felt it was too much out of character of her to be the one needing rescuing nine times out of ten. I do get the intent was to develop Hiccup and Astrid's relationship in the tree years of gap between Riders of Berk and HTTYD2 but for the reason I explained, I think it could have been handled better. I was rooting much more for Heather and Fishlegs and I would say alternative romantic relationships were sacrified in favour of hiccstrid. By this I mean no offence to what I know being the most popular ship in this fandom nor its supporters, so please respect my tastes as much as I respect yours :)

 

 

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Universe exploration

 

the honey:

 

I am a sucker for worldbuilding. I loved how each tribe has its own village built in a way that reflects the tribe's own essence. If you take, for example, the Defenders of the Wing island and compare it to the Wingmaidens' island you'll see what I mean. Unique settings and customs for a specific group of people are literally what gives me life and I appreciated how that was handled for the various peoples of the archipelago.

 

the hatchet:

 

Historical inaccuracy. Take clothes as the most imediate example.  I do love most of the clothes designs, I really do. There's no day that goes by without me wishing I had the Defenders of the Wing outfit in my closet. I also know very well that outfits are a key point for character design so I understand why certain choices were made.

The problem I personally have with this part of the HTTYD worldbuilding is that, hystorically speaking, clothes are extremely inaccurate compared to what history tells us about real vikings clothes. Now I feel the need to point out I don't have a major in Viking history or whatever, but I did read quite a few books on viking history.

And yes, I know it's pointless to talk about historical accuracy in a franchise about giant fire-breathing reptiles that fly but heh, leave me be :3

  Aside from the classic horned helmets stereotype, which is already "meh" enough of a concept for me personally, there are a few more things Race to the Edge and httyd in general got completely wrong about the viking culture and customs. My biggest peeve is the Hollywood representation of viking funerals that perpetuates in both the second movie and the series (is it even allowed to mention funerals on the forum from a quasi-anthropological point of view?). I know I'm not making much of a great arguement there, but that's because some of the books I have read on the subject that I used as source contain pretty sensitive topics which I reckon are best to keep off a kids-friendly community. I also do not intend to act like an annoying know-it-all and am definetly not qualified enough to talk about history as if I actually have a major in the subject so I'm sorry if I gave away that impression of myself!

I still don't get why they have yaks in Berk to begin with. From what I gathered,  "The domestic yak (Bos grunniens) is a long-haired domesticated cattle found throughout the Himalayan region of the Indian subcontinent, the Tibetan Plateau, Northern Myanmar, Yunnan, Sichuan and as far north as Mongolia and Siberia. It is descended from the wild yak (Bos mutus)" (source: wikipedia). However vikings did have cows and cattle along with pigs and chickens and sheep, and technically speaking yaks are indeed a type of cow, so maybe the writers just chose to use the word "yak" as a generic term for "big hairy animal tha gives milk"?

 

 

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In-Universe continuity

 

(There's no honey here, just the hatchet)

 

I know this has been discussed a lot (I've been lurking a lot on the forum in the past lol), so I want to apologize beforehand for bringing up the small inconsistencies that surfaced throughout and at the end of rtte. I like to call myself a failed perfectionist in the way that no matter how hard I try I always end up being careless about minor details and I think this series is a perfect embodiment of such concept. The most immediate examples that come to mind are the Eruptodon going trough a gender transition offscreen and the whole Toothless' shot limit inconsistency (though, checking on the httyd wiki page about Toothless, the site does mention this specific inaccuracy might be caused by the fact that the series was animated by a different crew than the one that worked on the movies. Unfortunately the article doesn't mention a source so I'm not sure how attendible that piece of information actually is and I'm too lazy to look further into that). There obviously are more of those, but you guys know already about it so I will move forward.

 

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Graphic and Visual Quality

 

the honey:

While obviously neither riders/defenders or RTTE can even compete with the quality of the movies, I will say that, for being a low-budget project, the series has a pretty decent quality and uses a few clever tricks to save up on animating complex objects by essentially getting rid of most of the furry coats and textures, for example. Some scenes were clearly put more effort into in the animating and rendering process and the camera shots are mostly well-thought.

 

 

the hatchet:

 

 

Astrid's hair in Riders/Defenders looks like overcooked noodles and nothing will ever make me unsee that. Some fabric also look a bit rubber-looking and tend to act more like rubber than actual fabric (an example is Dagur's vest whenever he's seen riding Shattermaster). Overall the textures in general look much poorer, whether it is clothes or dragon scales.

The extreme use of the same model for background characters, like the dragon hunters and the Defenders of the Wing, also makes me turn my nose up big time. But again, I understand this was due to a limited budget so I'm not going to drag this out any longer.

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This post feels long enough already, so I think what I wrote so far is more than enough. I hope you will appreciate my committment to this post as I've been working on it all evening now :') (yes, I am definetly a snail when it comes to writing and editing a post)

 

What are the things you enjoyed the most about the HTTYD series? What are your biggest peeves about them? Do let me know, if you like!

Thorspeed, until next time!

 

 

-BlueSunflower

 

 

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Oh, hello there!

 

 

 

 

Oh, there it is. Silly old universe. The more I save it the more it needs saving. It’s a treadmill.

Yes, yes I know they’ll get it all wrong without me.

Well, I suppose….one more lifetime won’t kill anyone. Well, except me.

You wait a moment, Doctor. Let’s get it right. I’ve got a few things to say to you. Basic stuff first.

Never be cruel, never be cowardly. And never ever eat pears! Remember – hate is always foolish…and love, is always wise.

Always try, to be nice and never fail to be kind. Oh, and….and you mustn’t tell anyone your name. No-one would understand it anyway.

Except….children. Children can hear it. Sometimes – if their hearts are in the right place, and the stars are too. Children can hear your name.

But nobody else. Nobody else. Ever.

Laugh hard. Run fast. Be kind.

Doctor – I let you go.

 

 

-Twelfth Doctor, Twice upon a Time

The tears I cried over this speech, you have no idea.

 

 

 

signature under construction. As usual.

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I never noticed everything

I never noticed everything until you pointed it out. 
Now I'll never unsee it! Haha!

 

The things that bother me the most, was at the end of the Race to the Edge series, that the KING of dragons layed an egg, which made me wonder if it was actually a Queen of dragons.

Plus it shows Valka getting the egg, and my curiosity is, what did she do with it? 
I know she didn't hatch it and it grew up within a year or so before Hiccup finds her! SO WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT EGG?!?!?!

And once Astrid I think said something like "We need bigger g u n s to beat (Forgot who it was)!" I don't remember exactly what she said, but I know that she said g u n s, which is also historically inaccurate.

They should've at least changed it to be maces or swords of something like that.

I also have my dislikes with the end of the third movie, but I won't share that in case anyone here hasn't seen the movie is reading.

 

Overall though, I do really like the Race to the Edge, and first and second movie, and maybe some of the third.

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FIX THE CHAT!

 

(Words of wisdom by Trainsanddragons!)

 

 

Hello. I'm Rosemeralda!

 


Starlight and Esmé, my Signature Guardians!

They may not be dragons, but you don't want to mess with them! 

Both designed by me!

 

 

In game:

My name is Rosemeralda.

I have probably seventy-ish dragons, including all three Night Lights.

Dart is my favorite Night Light.

I love all of the dragons, but my top favorites are: Sand Wraiths (My first dragon, named BlackBird), Stormcutters (Looks like my cat), Night Fury, Light Fury, Night Lights, Triple Stykes, Deathsongs, and Skrills.

Proud leader of the clan Copycat Hiccup! 
(Clan is closed off from requests, sorry.)

I mostly am seen with either a Night Light adult, purple Fireworm Queen (named Purple Magic), Deathsong, Hambanger, Triple Stryke, Stormcutter or Stormcutter Titan.

I ride whichever dragon I want to be on, at the moment.

 

I am fully against cyber bullying!

No one should be treated bad, no matter who they are! 
I am a victim of multiple cyber bullying.

Know that I am here for you, if you are a victim of cyberbullying, and you are strong!

 

 

A small list of my favorite dragon names I (mostly) came up with:

 

Firesong - Deathsong

 

Firefighter - Fire Terror

 

Purple Magic - Fireworm Queen

 

Raxtus - Razorwhip

 

Zoom Twist - Deadly Nadder

 

Spike - Deadly Nadder

 

Black Bird - Sand Wraith

 

Imagine - Titan Sand Wraith

 

Gobbles - Hobgobbler 

 

Hobbles - Hambanger

 

Schmich - Titan Stormcutter

 

Poothless - Woolly Howl

 

The Stig - Speed Stinger

 

Rock Crusher - Gronckle

 

Imoola (Pronounced eM-U-la. The double "Os" pronounced like "You" and the "I" is silent, making you say the "M") 

- Thunderdrum

 

 

 

I have a pet betta that is black, blue, and has a little red on his tail, so I named him Toothless. Toothless is a crazy little fish! He never stops moving.

He also tore his fin, so he's even more like Toothless the dragon! 

Though I wasn't thrilled when I discovered his torn fin...

 

More about me: I love cars! They are my most favorite thing on the planet! Especially the E36 318i!
I own a 318i with a manual transmission! (#savethemanuals)
My favorite car company would be MINI, and BMW second. Though I love E36s more than anything!

 

Probably out cleaning a car when you are reading this. 

I prefer car cleaning over almost everything.

I also have Build-A-Bear Light Fury and the First Release Toothless.

 

I am against hacking. 

I like to draw cars and sometimes dragons. 
I'm a bookworm. I love Percy Jackson and the Olympians, Heroes of Olympus, Trials of Apollo, and Harry Potter.

Other things I do: I computer code a little, I crochet, and I like math.

I'm on PixilArt (send me a message if you're on there and want to follow me!).

 

 

My car model list:

 

Over probably 100 MINI/Mini Coopers list

Cooper S, lots of those, Countryman, Hardtops, Convertible, Paceman, Classics, Stuffed MINI

Probably around 30-ish BMWs

First BMW: I think was my little Z8 named Bloodcell.

Two Z4s, two Z8s, one Z3, three E92 ///M3s, E39 530i TWO DOOR Coupe, E39 four door saloon, Two 502 classics (one is a tin toy), 

two E30 POLZEIs, ten E36s (maybe more, because I keep sewing/crocheting them) a stuffed E90, two 2002ti, three i3s, three i8s, an ///M8, a very pathetic 850i (I got it because it was such a pathetic excuse of an 8 Series, I loved it even though I disliked it!) two M4s, and probably more I'm forgetting.

Tons of vintage cars I find at thrift stores, and tons of Hot Wheels/Matchbox cars.

Some huge cars, some smaller.

I have two of the same Mustangs, though I modified one, and had to repaint the stipes on the other.

I mostly modify or restore some cars. Most of them though I keep stock. 
I modified a Ford (probably F150) into being my mum's truck as a gift for her.
I did paint flames on my weird but well loved Dodge wagon.

It depends on the car with modifying though. Mainly if it needs it, or if I have an idea to make it look better.

 

List of my top favorite model cars, modded and stock:

 

Stormie, my first MINI

 

Scaremeralda, my 1/18 Scale E36

 

Snow Scaremeralda, my white 1/18 Scale E36

Smally Wally, my Dodge Ram 1500

 

Ferdiand, the Porsche Off-road sports car

 

List of modified cars:

 

Herbie from the Love Bug

 

Amber the Lambor, a Lamborghini that was once yellow and had a bent in roof (honestly, she looked like a Lego dude had a roll over in her). I made her mostly teal with yellow stripes, and cool doors that open under, instead of out or over.

 

Sally, my Mustang who got silver stripes and purple accent.

 

Grape, my Dodge wagon, got new rim color, flames, and chrome handles.

 

Zoe, my Countryman got stripes like a real MINI.

 

Moonlight, originally a Mustang, but I made into a two door E39, which is rare. She also can have her shell taken apart from her chassis.

 

Rosemeralda, my E36, has foil behind her headlights (didn't know my thrift store find was a rare model that was worth WAY more than I paid for.), because she looked a little creepy without it.

 

Dodge Viper has two different paints, blue and yellow.

 

Midnight, my Z4 Coupé, got a touchup of paint on her turn signals to be orange, instead of clear.

 

Ferdinand, my Porsche I bought at a thrift store, that had no front bumper or engine cover in the back, so I made a front bumper that looks like a welded off-roading bumper, and made bars over the engine. And he has a sweet paint job all over!

Current projects:

 

Fast and Furious Dodge Challenger (I never wanted to watch the movies, because I've seen enough ads to know they are horrible to the cars) because its paint was more like a wrap, and coming off so easily, I pulled it off. My debate is whether I repaint it purple, blue, or make it into a police car, or a Taxicab. Or art car. 

 

Dodge Viper. Possibly two. Depending on if I wanted to do my other one.

 

MINI Cooper Hardtop will be getting a British Flag rooftop. Maybe a Black Jack or Silver Jack. (or both)

 

1966 Chevy Side-Step Three on a tree.

 

Two Lamborghinis.

 

Alfa Romeo race car.

 

Dodge Ram 1500 Biplane-truck

 

Probably more I'm forgetting.

 

Future project cars

 

E36 3 Series to look like my cartoon car.

 

BMW i8 Ultimate Sophisto Edition.

 

BMW M4s in Heritage Edition.

 

BMW M8 in Golden Thunder.

 

BMW M3, M4, M5, or M8 Taxicab.

 

MINI Cooper Paddy Hopkirk Edition.

 

Paddy Hopkirk's Original Mini Rally car.

 

My Mum's MINI.

 

Biplane truck with a Dodge Ram model. 

 

Art Car, Moonlight.

 

Art Car, MINI.

 

Art Car, various BMWs.

 

I have even more cars, but it would make my signature way too long.

 

 

 

Breyer horse collector!

 

I have a mix of vintage and newer models.

My favorites of my Traditional models is probably my Mare, Sundancer, and Warrior, my Morgen, and Snowman!
Added to the list: Monty the Old Timer, and Cloudjumper the miniature horse!

Favorites of Classic/Freedom Series: Cantering Mare named Winny, and show name is Hocus Pocus. She's a beautiful horse! I also have Spirit, who is one of my other favorites, along with Mercedes and Poseidon. I love all my Classics/Freedom horses.

 

Favorites of my Stablemates:

I have a lot, so hard to choose, but I love my Palomino Mare named Rose, Totilas, Painted Magic, and their foal Fifinella, Esmeralda my vintage mare, Renzo my Morgen, my trotting mare that's a strawberry Appaloosa, Cupcake the Highland pony, and finally, Midnight Cruiser.

 

 

 

 

Music lover!

 

Favorite bands:

 

Beatles

 

Boston

 

Steely Dan 

 

Imagine Dragons

 

Led Zeppelin 

 

 

 

Proud Owner of Esmeralda, the Little Bimmer!

Old BMW 318i Classic with a 5 Speed manual! 
Hoping to convert her into an EV! 
Esmé is on Instagram, known as @esmeralda_the_little_bimmer Please don't get on just to message me on Esmé's account though. I probably won't respond on there. (Happened before, so just letting it be known.)

 

Things I need to fix on Esmé:

Too many! XD

 

This is the car that I fell in love with as a little girl, and have dreamed of owning my whole life, until the wonderful day I got her as my first car!

And those that know me, know that I talk about Esmé probably more than I talk about myself!

This is the car that has helped me through tough times, and had shared joys and adventures with me!

Favorite thing about Esmé? She's a manual transmission, and Boston Green!

 

Least favorite thing about Esmé? Nothing! (Except when she breaks a semi-important part...)

 

Weirdest thing found in Esmé? Plenty! But Wasp nest in the door jam has me head scratching.

 

What's it like owning an old BMW? Fun! Obviously!

 

Are there any downsides to owning Esmé? My empty wallet is the answer...

 

Do you love Esmé more than people? I spend more time with her, but that's because I'm a weirdo with not many friends, but I don't really care, she's like a second part of me! 
 

 

 

Esmé during a scavenger hunt... (Not a happy Bimmer.)

Esmé and the Scaremés hanging out for some drone shots!

 

One of the best looking stick shifts there is!

 

 

That's all for now. Will add more to my signature later!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Exactly! The Bewilderbeast egg is something that didn't sit right with me either. For the fact that a king of dragons laid an egg, I like to think Bewilderbeasts are like seahorses. In the animal world, the male seahorse is actually the one who gives birth to its babies (they still meed a female egg to fertilize though). If this is the case, I would expect the writers to have such a relevant detail to be explained or discovered by the protagonists, and the fact that wasn't addressed at all makes the ending of rtte feel indeed like "hold on, what is happening?". It's overall just a big fail from the writers for the reason you pointed out and honestly? That's a waste. They threw out of the window seven seasons and a half in favor of a rushed ending. It felt like they tried to close a circle that wasn't even meant to be. As for the Bewilderbeast egg problem, I personally obliged to it with a headcanon that for some reason the egg didn't survive.

I didn't like the third movie either! Or better, I didn't like the Light Fury and how her character(essentially just being a girl toothless) was handled. Aaaaand I might still be a tiny bit sore about the whole ending. It ruined my plans for a post movie setting fanfiction and with it a good slice of my teenage years' mental sanity :')
Grimmel was the only thing I really enhoyed about the movie. I have a thing for twisted, cold blooded villains and Grim-grim met all the requirements to enter my top three without a doubt.

(Unrelated, but I stumbled upon the information that your cat is named Hermione and I love her twice as much as before I knew her name already)

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They should've at least done another spinoff of the second movie, where they raise the Bewilderbeast baby, and show how it grows!

Like what they did with Garf a little.

 

Oh yeah another thing that is bothersome, on the episode where they find the female Monstous Nightmare, and Hooky goes after her, Hiccup asks Toothless this: "You'd never leave me for another dragon, right bud?" 
AND WHAT DOES TOOTHLESS DO?

Grimmal would be a good villain to me if his voice didn't annoy me. I have no idea why, but his voice is just so annoying! Him and Draggo have annoying voices in my opinion. Especially Draggo's screaming.
 

Hermione thanks you for loving her! 
I'll have to get a photo on here of her Halloween costume! I'm dressing her up as a Stormcutter, which means possibly losing a limb trying to put my Build-A-Bear Toothless's wings on her. 

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Oh my Thor! I remember the first time I heard Drago's scream it weirded me out a lot xD And there I was thinking I had issues.

I think what they were trying to do with the scene in the hookfang episode was a foreshadowing, but indeed it ended up looking like another poor attempt of that.
And you know what? We *need* a spinoff like that. At least, I would be totally in for it. It would be a splendid opportunity to see what went down outside of Berk before and during the events of httyd1 and the series from Valka's perspective. Come to think of it, that's actually a good prompt for a fanfiction!

And yes I love cats, no exceptions xD
I remember a few years ago my sister and I crafted some cardboard wings for our tuxedo cat. He didn't particularly appreciate them but he didn't really get to refuse. I should still have some pics of him wearing them, if I find them I might post them later!

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I'm glad I'm not the only one who hated Draggo's scream too! 
The first time I saw the movie, and I saw Cloudjumper, I thought he looked like Hermione so much! 
I even got two Stormcutters and named one Hermione, and the other Schmich (her weird nickname I gave her)!

It is true about the Hookfang episode with trying to hint that Toothless was like "I love you Hiccup!" Then, "Bye Hiccup! I see a Light Fury, who is waay better than you!"

I am curious if Hiccup was thinking that exact time when he hugged Toothless.
 

If you do the fan fiction, can I help?
It would be cool to do one, along with what Valka did when she was first taken to her sanctuary, and all the way up to the Bewilderbeast egg, and finally meeting Hiccup again.

And in between the 2nd and 3rd movie with the Bewilderbeast baby would be awesome too.

Because Valka just left it at her sanctuary without telling her own son that she had the Bewilderbeast egg, and leaving it on its own.

 

Maybe we should start a thread of a pet Dreadfall contest, and have our cats compete! 
Hermione will have her extra "What-in-the-world-did-you-do-to-me-and-WHY?" face. 
 

One last thing, I find this thread a little funny, because we both are ranting a little about the flaws, and also talking about cats at the same time!

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Homie, cats and dragons are

Homie, cats and dragons are literally what gives me life xD

I'm not sure if my cat would allow me to get away with dressing him up again but hey, I'll never know unless I try!

I would love to work on a four-handed fanfiction project! Unfortunately I am quite busy with work and other artistic projects so I'm not sure when I might be able to focus on this one too.

My starter dragon is actually inspired by one of my other cats! I might post pictures of both of them in the future, I don't know xD

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I have a bunch of hatchets to give over HTTYD: The Hidden World.

 

 I'll start with my baker's dozen over THE Light Fury. I honestly hate the fact that the Light Fury was just a "Girl Toothless"- and a poor one at that- as well. I find her entire personality offputting- and... not justified to say the least. It's too much "I like Toothless. I hate humans.", and she gets little character development at all. I also find her design to be... poorly thought out as well. The extreme femmeninity of her design is like slapping pink paint on a hen and giving it makeup. It's also unnatural looking- how does she not have scars? How could she be white aside from being an albino or leucesistic? How do her scales? feathers? end up looking like makeup in the first place? Why specifically make her a "Light Fury" in the first place? I overall feel like the movies designers really dropped the ball here.

 

I also feel like they dropped the ball with Toothless in this movie. Designwise, I don't have much to say, but personalitywise? I have a baker's doxen hatchets to give for Toothless's personality in The Hidden World as well. He's pretty much... not the same dragon we grew to love in the first movie. Where the first movie's Toothless is a strong, well thought out character, again, the third movie's Toothless is just... offputting and not justified. His entire personality is changed/reduced to "I'd never leave you Hic- Oooh! Pretty girl dragon! I'm gonna leave you- forever!", as... whichever one of you has Dart in your profile picture summed it up. I was honestly sad that he never even thought of trying to visit the Hidden World for any other reason, and that he never even thought of Hiccup once during most of the movie.

 

In addition, I find the whole "Night Furies are extinct" nonesense to be a whole can of rotten worms. The fact that- in the movie cannon- one man was able to cause the extinction of an entire species of dragon just doesn't make sense. The only way this could happen is if the Night Fury population overall was extremely tiny (perhaps even from their evolutionary start) and if it was so isolated that it was living on just one island. Given that these are dragons we're not talking about, and not Dodos, there is no way that the Night Fury species could have been in that state for long. If they had ever been in that state, than they would have been in that state shortly after they first evolved. I think it's more likely that Grimmel only killed a few and the rest became extremely elusive- to the point that few to no human ever found them- and so the vikings assumed that they were extinct. Due to this reasoning, I think Dreamworks could have just said that "Toothless isn't the last of his kind", and let more Night Furies appear in the movie. 

 

A plot messed up as this makes me honestly like games like School of Dragons better than the sequel movies. In a way, School of Dragons is actually better/more realistic than the movies are. I do have my pet peeves about the Light Fury in School of Dragons, and a toy hatchet about the Hobblegrunt having the wrong model, but otherwise I'm somewhat okay with School of Dragons... especially compared to the HTTYD sequels. I'd have to think about the TV series, though...

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I completely agrer with you on everything. While I believe Toothless was given that character in httyd3 specifically to show the bad effect of to domestication of wild animals on the animals itself. I also found the storytelling of that movie incredibly low compared to the other two movies in the franchise.
The light fury herself is a perfect example of the so called "smurfette syndrome" (if you never heard of that before you can check some video-essay on youtube about the subject) and that's probably the biggest reason why I don't like her. Her whole character revolves around her being "toothless' love interest", and while I know it was a clever marketing move that eventually led to the nightlights I wish that was not the route they took for this movie. And also yeah, let's talk about how unoriginal the whole light fury ideas really is. I've seen fanfictions about albino night furies since the first movie came out. It really just looks like the writers saw one of those fanfictions and just went "You know what, Mike? Let's go with that one!"
Literally the whole movie could have worked out just fine with a regular female night fury, too. "Oh wow, looks like toothless isn't the only night fury left after all, praise Odin!"
I honestly think the introduction of another night fury and an explanation like the one you suggested would have given the movie a much more interesting prompt and happier outcome. Not that it wouldn't be possible with the light fury as well (like, if hiccup and the gang spent some actual time in studying the light fury like he did in the first movie, for example. It would have also made a nice parallel but no. We were given Toothless walking like a weird chicken to impress a girl. That's your Alpha dragon).

I used to love the school of dragon plots, but sadly the quality dropped big time after the battle for the Edge expansion. And then even more after the special events were introduced. Not that I don't like competing in them, but plot-wise they're kinda poorly written in my opinion. I wish we would get an expansion as good as the first few that were released (an expansion that's actually worth the amount of gems it costs). I don't mind if the dragon related to it is not as "cool" as a hybrid, I was never too much fond of those anyway. I just want to be able to get the dragon with my own pace.

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Tracking!

 

Tracking!

 

I may come back to add something, but for now I'm just gonna linger in the shadows.

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AFTER ALMOST A YEAR OF PROCRASTINATION, LINKS TO MY THIRD HALLOWEEN STORY ARE NOW UP IN MY SIGNATURE!

 

 

LACK LUNASON

(I figure you've probably already figured that out, but I thought I'd play it safe.)

 

    Hi, I'm Lack Lunason. I'm called that because I lack many things, and I'm a lunatic. I just put son on the end to make it sound more like a viking name. I'm also a Christ follower.

 

      Here are just a few more things about me:

  1. I am a procrastinator.
  2. I'm pretty nice (mostly).
  3. I am most definitely kind (don't listen to those that say otherwise).
  4. Adventurous.
  5. Lazy.
  6. A dreamer.
  7. And I'm slightly crazy.

     I've been around SoD for a long time. I think I was one of the first thousand to leave Berk and sail to the school. I'm happily part of the bold clan known as POTATO BROTHERS. I have over four-thousand trouphies, although, I don't like racing much. On the other hand, I'm a Master Farmer.  (Don't you dare ask me how fishing is going!  We don't speak of that!)

 

      On the ranking on the forum, I've completed/on the following: Jarl, Forager, Wilderness Explore, Viking Warrior, Dragon Trainer, Drott, Dragon Master, Chief, Berk's Power Player, and......

 

SUPREME VIKING CHAMPION

(Respect my Authority!)

[because no one else will]

 

(Sorta) Current Trophy Count:

4725

 

Now onto some random stuff. This part will grow over time.

 

WARNING:  THE REST OF THIS THREAD IS GUARDED BY....

 

BAT-MAN THE VAST (Also known as Bat-Stoick)

(By The Dragoness)

 

Fan-Fiction And Short Stories:

 

Shrieks From The Shadows Series:

 

Once Bitten, Twice Shy

Chapter 1    Chapter 2    Chapter 3   Chapter 4   Chapter 5

 

The Terrifier

Chapter 1  Chapter 2  Chapter 3  Chapter 4  Chapter 5

 

What Lurks in Ebony Swamp

Chapter 1     Chapter 2     Chapter 3    Chapter 4   Chapter 5

 

Things I am a Fan of

 

How To Train Your Dragon

 

 

GODZILLA

 

TEETITANS

 

Quotes I love

 

"Once I set the sea alight with a single fiery breath....

Once I was so mighty that I thought my name was death....

Sing out loud until you're eaten, song of melancholy bliss....

For the mighty and the middling all shall come to THIS...."

The Green Death, How To Train Your Dragon: book 1. Cressida Cowell.

 

"WE WILL FIGHT THEM ON THE BEACHES! WE WILL FIGHT THEM IN THE BRACKEN! WE WILL FIGHT THEM IN THOSE BOGGY MARSHY BITS THAT ARE SO DIFFICULT TO WALK THROUGH WITHOUT LOSING YOUR SHOES! WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER!"

Stoick The Vast. How To Train Your Dragon: Book 5. Creessida Cowell.

 

"I sailed so far to be a King, but the time was never right.....

I lost my way on a stormy past, got wrecked in starless night....

But let my heart be wrecked by hurricanes and my ship by stormy weather....

I know I am a Hero...and a Hero is....FOREVER!

In another time, another place, I could have been a King....

But in my castle's ruined towers the lonely seabirds sing.....

I burned up my Tomorrows, I cannot go back ever....

But I am still a Hero....and a Hero is.......FOREVER!

Up with your sword and strike at the gale......

Ride the rough seas for those waves are your home......

Winters may freeze but our hearts do not fail.....

Heroes.......Hearts......FOREVER!

You are never alone if the sea is your friend......

Riding the waves of impossible quests.....

If it doesn't end well, then it isn't the end.....

A Hero.....Fights.....FOREVER!

The hero cares not for a wild winter's storm.....

For it carries him swift on the back of the wave.....

All may be lost and our hearts may be worn.....

BUT A HERO.....FIGHTS.....FOREVER!"

Grimbeard the Ghastly's Last Song. How To Train Your Dragon: Book 11 and 12. Cressida Cowell.

 

      That's about it. I give full credit for...well, everything, to GOD. Have a good day.

 

Bye for now!

 

 

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