Miraculous:Tales of ladybug, season 2- your spoilers? Ideas? Info?

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Like the title reads, what do you know? Ideas? Speculations? Facts?? Excited? Post everything! What do you expect from the new season of miraculous tales of ladybug and cat noir? I heard the season is coming out in a month or so.


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Tracking because "Miraculous! Simply the best!" (I'm still not entirely sure why I like this show except for the fact that I have been in fandom for a decade and never got that into shipping until I was introduced to Adrienette.)


I also do have information to contribute, mostly from Miraculous' official Twitter.


First, no, it's not coming out in a month. The official Twitter announced that the release of Season 2 has been pushed back to December. Since this is the 4th time it's been pushed back, many are not taking anything stated about the release date seriously until we hear something official from the networks and streaming sites that host the show, but we definitely can't expect it before December.


Also, a few spoiler information has been leaked about Season 2. SPOILERS!


The first episode, "The Collector," takes place directly after "Volpina." It will be the first episode where two kwamis will be on-screen together and interacting. (I'm guessing it will be Tiki and Wayzz. Gabriel is "The Collector."


The second episode is "Troublemaker." There will be a scene where Marinette and Jagged Stone bake together, and Adrien will discover that Marinette has a bunch of picture of him in her room. (That sounds kind of...cringe. My prediction: he'll be kind of creeped out, they'll talk, and truths will come out...and I will stress a lot.)


There is a scene whose storyboard drawing that was revealed - called the Balcony Scene by fans - of Cat Noir and Marinette staring out over Paris together on top of Marinette's balcony.


Ladybug and Cat Noir will have a TV interview.


There will be an episode where Chloe asks Adrien to help her get people to like her. (Apparently the creators said we're going to like Season 2 if we like Chloe, which...I've never met a fan who doesn't think Chloe is the worst, so whatever. Hopefully there's a lot of character development there.)


One of Nino's relatives and Alya's third unnamed sibling will make an appearance.


New miraculouses will appear in the show. The one onfirmed is Le Paon, wielder of the peacock miraculous, will who will make an appearance at the end of Season 2 and through Season 3 as a Haw Moth's "boss." (No word on what Le Paon's English name will be yet.) The peacock kwami is Duusu. It was also revealed that a new main villain, far more threatening than Hawk Moth, will be revealed this season, and it's possible said villain is Le Paon.


Anansi, a new spider-based character, will appear in the show.


Cat Noir will play a greater, more important rule in the hero/saving business. (Good, because he kind of serves as Ladybug's meat shield and fight support right now while she can do all the purifying stuff...)


The creators stated the second season will answer the question of whether or not non-human things (like animals or kwamis) can be akumatized. (My guess is "yes," and it's an animal.)


The origin of the kwamis will revealed. (YES!)


Marinette and Adrien's relationship will go through some "evolution," according to Thomas Astruc, the show's main writer. He's also stated there will be a "big reveal." (I fan-squealed at that. I never fan squeal. I am stoic-face. But I fan-squealed. EEP!)


Also, here's some information is not necessarily for Season 2 but for future Miraculous episodes in general (which will have 5 seasons total, apparently). So...SPOILERS!


The creators have confirmed that we will get to see Marinette and Adrien as a "real couple." (The nature of how this works out, and with which identities - or both - is unknown, but I personally theorize it happens after this "big reveal" that was mentioned before.)


The creators have also stated that there will be new relationships outside Marinette and Adrien. They also revealed that some friendships/relationships will be broken.


The creators have confirmed there will be a LGBT character at some point.


Plans were teased for Tiki and Plagg spinoff episodes, new powers for both Ladybug and Cat Noir, and possibly a real Volpina (not the akuma but the one with the actual fox miraculous) becoming a recurring character in the show. The real Volpina was later revealed to be (BIG SPOILERS!) Alya. Her kwami will be called Trixx. Chloe will become Queen Bee, wielder of the bee miraculous. Her kwami is called Pollen. These new miraculous assignments will happen in Season 2 or 3.


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DECEMBER!!!! But what about

DECEMBER!!!! But what about the Halloween special for this October? The special always comes out soon after the new season!!:(..... Anyway...Do you think that Adrian's Dad is hawk moth? In one of the season 1 episodes he goes for ladybugs earrings without being akumatized. Also you can see the peacock miraculous beside a secret picture of Adrian's mom.:O  Why did Adrian's Dad have a book of miraculous hiros?? You think (what's the Chinese guys name agiain?) will invite both merinette and adrian to his study and have them reveal their indentity? And tell them everything? I total know there were more miraculous s! The revealed miraculouss were just the first level of the box of miraculouss. Chloe?? A miraculous holder?!? Wow...I thought that was just a rumor! I think I still can't accept that! Cat noir does need more of a role. :) they both need another power too!

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Yup, I do think Gabriel is

Yup, I do think Gabriel is Hawk Moth. All the clues point to it. And I'm pretty sure he suspects his own son is Cat Noir, which could be very problematic. I'm not sure how he got the book about the miraculous heroes, but I think we mgiht find out in "The Collector."


I'm not sure if Master Fu will invite both Marinette and Adrian to his place to have them reveal their identities. I think he might just talk with Marinette for now, and Adrian and Marinette will find out each other's identities in a more...dramatic moment.

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soooo excited! December cant come soon enough!

New info has finally come to light! I've  got sourcccceeesss!

New trailer!!!


this one says they cant reveal sources, but hey, worth looking at.


worth a view...


a little old but its got some new insight...and a confirmed pic of our regular heros ball dancing!!!:O




hope you like and comment on your thoughts....i know i loved it, though there was confirmation of disapointment:/


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i cant believe i didnt see it before!
I've definitely discovered that Gabriel Agreste is NOT Hawk Moth! Sorry, but it's true!!!
First I will counter argue some points that viewers make to say that Mr. Agreste is Hawk Moth.
 1.   Mr. Agreste (went) for Ladybugs earrings when they were alone. (This is the most used argument that fans make saying Mr. Agreste is Hawk Moth.)
#1 Counter:   i used to say this was proof too, but really it isn't. Mr. Agreste is Paris' top fashion designer. Making an earring design of the miraculous belonging to the city's most beloved hero would be ....a big business hype.  And you know Mr. Agreste!  He would do that.
2. The figure and voice of Hawk Moth closely resembles Mr. Agreste.
#2 Counter:    Yeah, ill give you that, but it's all for the suspense of the show.
3. Mr. Agreste didn't want Adrien attending the school.  That would be logical, since Hawk Moth would be sending out 'baddies' into the city every week.
#3. counter:   Hawk Moth doesn't strike me as the type to care about safety, even for his own son.  Hawk Moth did say, "I must have this power!" So he was absorbed in getting power.   Usually in a show, if someone is obsorbed in getting power, nothing else matters at the moment.  Even though Mr. Agreste is harsh, he still loves his son. Plus, he eventually lets Adrien attend the school. If Agreste really was hawk Moth, he wouldn't had given in so willingly, if at all.
4. Mr. Agreste has a secret safe behind the portrait of Mrs. Agreste containing the miraculous book, the peacock miraculous, and a photo of Mrs. Agreste.
#4 counter:   If Mr. Agreste was Hawk Moth, wouldn't he hide HIS miraculous in the safe too? I think Agreste knows of the miraculous powers because a family member once held one (Mrs. Agreste would explain that). That doesn't mean Agreste is Hawk Moth.  Besides, Hawk Moth saying, "I must have this power while starring at a picture of Mrs. Agreste would indicate that whatever she has or had (miraculous?), he doesn't have. Probably because it's in Mr.Agreste' safe. (my theory)
Last counters:  Finally, let me end on a strong note.
1-In the episode, "Simon Says", Hawk Moth akunatises one of a tn shows contestants, an illusionist. Mr. Agreste was suppose to be the illutionist' demonstration object but he left before it started.  You get what happens next.  This happens that happens, Ladybug and Cat Noir show up, more happens and they figure out the illusionist is after Mr. Agreste for turning him down.   pausing here, I ask, how could Mr. Agreste, after leaving the live show feed, go and turn into Hawk Moth, feel that he  has another potential victim, send out the akuma, akumatize the illusionist, all in under 5 minutes(the time the illusionist was outside the show room). ..He couldn't have.  Not enough? OK, lets press play.
2-Further along, Ladybug and Adrien, who had already changed back so as not to worry Nino on where he was, arrives at the Agreste home. The illusionist invades soon after and takes Mr. Agreste back to the show room to finish his act. He then makes Agreste mimic a butterfly (flap, flap, flutter, flutter lol). Ladybug and , now Cat Noir, burst in and the illusionist makes Mr. Agreste mimic an airplane, sending him to the roof of the building. Fortunately, our heroes stop the Illutionist' power just as Agreste is standing on the edge of the roof! Yeah, I don't think Hawk Moth would put himself in that predicament! Not to mention,  the big thing is is that Hawk Moth has to stay transformed to continue giving akumatized power to the victim. I dont think he can be an akumatized person and Hawk Moth at the same time.  
P.S.-very strong proof here! Also, LB and CN went to the roof to check on Mr. Agreste. Now, if Agreste was Hawk Moth, then when he had Ladybug and Cat Noir alone with him on the roof, he would have taken their miraculous'.  He didn't.
There's sooo much proof in this episode saying that Mr. Agreste isn't Hawk Moth! I think it's one of the best episodes.  I know it might be a downer that they led us to believe that Mr. Agreste was Hawk Moth, but don't you love a show with twists and turns and in the end it all actually makes sense? Especially with a younger show like this! I love it! Can't wait to discover what's next!
anyway, i didnt watch any spoiler/theory videos while making this.  All of these are my discoveries directly from the show.   It's all black and white.   Mr. Agreste is not Hawk Moth.
But, to know 100% for sure, we'll have to wait to see if Hawk Moth will talk to Mr. Agreste in season 2, episode 1!
Tell me what you think! <3
Can't wait!
bug out!
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I don't know, man...

For #1 and #2, either one of those explanations - the Hawk Moth one or non-Hawk Moth one - could be reasonable, but the others...I don't know.


Counter to Counter #3: We don't know if Hawk Moth is the kind of person to care about his family or not. He's been played up as a one-note villain, but that's mainly because we've only seen his villainous persona. He could care about power and his son; in fact, it could be something that makes him conflicted later in the series. His care for Adrien could explain why he's never taken Adrien's ring from him forcefully even though he seemed to recognize it. (And regardless of how much he cares, we are talking about the father that didn't even bother to get his son a birthday present and didn't even assign the mission to his assistant until the day of. Clearly he has a few other things on his mind that he prioritizes besides his son, even if he does love him.)


Counter to Counter #4: We've seen from other Miraculous holders that they keep their Miraculous on their person. If Gabriel is Hawk Moth, I doubt he would ever put his own Miraculous in the safe. Instead, I think he'd keep the broach in a pocket or clipped onto his shirt under his suit jacket. The fact that he knows about the Miraculous and that Mrs. Agreste probably have one would explain why Gabriel knows about the Miraculous - regardless of whether or not he's Hawk Moth - but knowing about them might also explain how he came across the butterfly Miraculous and became Hawk Moth in the first place.


Counter to Second Counter #1: Normally I'd say this is very true, but this show isn't exactly known for being very realistic about timing with any character. Real world physics can betray us here. And to be fair, we don't actually know how close or far Gabriel was from Hawk Moth's lair during the live call. Gabriel lives in a mansion, so if he is Hawk Moth, he probably has his lair hidden off his office. Seems like the ideal place to put it. (I want to see the building contract for that.) XD His knowledge of the fact that he just upset Simon could even explain the quick response time; Gabriel knew from experience he had an akuma on his hands on and got right to work after the feed was cut.


Counter to Second Counter #2: In the episode, we clearly see Hawk Moth trying to deter Simon Says from doing anything to Gabriel, and rather sternly, too. He usually doesn't push that hard against letting the akuma get revenge, but that's the one moment he doesn't want the akuma to go for its victim. If he is Gabriel, that's likely because he's trying not to put himself in that predicament. He fails to sway his akuma completely - proving he doesn't actually have complete control over them - and so Gabriel does end up getting hypnotized anyway, but Hawk Moth was against the idea. Gabriel was also convinced that Simon Says wouldn't be able to reach him in his fortress, leaving him to believe the situation was under control...and misjudged it. On top of that, whenever Gabriel is in view of the other characters, Hawk Moth never talks to Simon Says or even shows up for a brief line. And when Gabriel is finally hypontized, Hawk Moth suddenly stops talking to Simon Says. In fact, after that point, Hawk Moth isn't seen for the rest of the episode. It's one of the only episodes where we don't cut back to see what he has to say after Ladybug purifies the akuma. Very suspicious...


On top of all that, Simon Says hypnotizes Mr. Agreste to believe that he's a butterfly? Irony? A hint from the show writers?


And Gabriel also proves to have a secret door behind his safe that leads to a..."secret lair?" ...What's that about?


If anything, in this episode, I think there's actually more evidence for the "Gabriel is Hawk Moth" theory than against it.


I'd actually say your strongest evidence against Gabriel being Hawk Moth is the fact that he is akumatized as the Collector in the first episode of Season 2. That really does potentially throw a wrench in that theory. But we don't know whether or not Hawk Moth is able to akumatize himself or how that all goes down, so until the episode comes out, we can't say for sure that's good evidence.


I'd say there's still a chance Gabriel is Hawk Moth. It's possible he's not, but I'm not counting him out yet. If he's not, the show writers are clearly trying to make sure Gabriel is still a believable decoy. Hopefully Season 2 will tell us for sure!


(Mostly, I just want more father/son angst with Adrien.) XD


I know the English dub isn't being released until December, but...are you going to look at spoilers after the October French release? I'm probably going to be looking at spoilers. XD

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yeah the French version is

yeah the French version is going to be released on this 26th. I heard itll be on a french kids channel called tufu? i dont really remember what the channel is but its simular to that.  And yes oh yes, ill be watching them, more then likely.

its 7:17 am, im tired but im going to watch a live episode of miraculous on tv at 7:30. Ha...the things we do for the stuff we're fans about!

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new idea i had....not from

new idea i had....not from evidence but just my own idea that i had out the blues...lets say for the moment that Mr. Agreste isnt Hawk Moth(not ruling him out..this is just an idea).

What if Hawk Moth is holding Mrs. Agreste prisoner???

think about it...Mrs. Agreste had what Hawk Moth is after, so she hides it somehow, before HM could get it because she knew he was getting close. Now, HM has captured her(that or she's on the run), and can't let her go now because she knows to much, and she wont give up where she hid the (thing).

i dont think shes dead. it hasnt really been mentioned as that....yet? idk...this theory just came to me.

well the french version will come out soon, now i wish i had taken that year of french instead of spanish!

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oh my gosh! english clip from

oh my gosh! english clip from season 2 episode 1!  i think i 100% believe it! and something is confirmed that we have been waiting for!!! check it out!


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FINALLY! full Season 2 episode 1 came out on yt 9 hours ago! Enjoy!


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New Episodes

That moment when you wonder if watching pirated videos via Facebook makes you a pirate enabler. :/


On the plus side, I just shamelessly watched the English versions of Season 2 Episodes 1 and 2! Already so much revealed!


And the second episode has the dancing scene! (Because we all need our dose of Adrienette) ;)

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i love adrienette!!! it makes

i love adrienette!!! it makes you smile, cry, eyeroll, and cheer all in one!

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oh........my......goodness! i

oh........my......goodness! i feel like fireworks are going off inside from all the excitment while watching the episodes! i cant stop smiling. ive got to say, they had some of us truely believing that mr. agreste wasnt hawk moth from the season 1 clues and fan theories. i literally stopped breathing for a few seconds. but of course, they wouldn't make it that difficult to discover who HM really is. it was surprising but great! you were right whisper!

and we totally know now that mr. agreste know his son is cat noir! i think he thinks merinette is ladybug too.......ooooo.....this is getting intresting!!!! ....

And, at least chloe only called Adrien her 'friend'!  chloe turned.....n i c e?!  i didnt like the idea at first, but maybe it's growing on me. guess this is definitly how she ends up earning her miraculous...(i dont want her on the team!!!!whaaaaa!)

i was hoping cat noir would meet master fu in the episode too, but i guess his time will come. this is only the first two episodes. i am sooooo wondering about the new powers to come for our much needed updated heroes.

in the dancing episode, idk, i was kinda hoping for a ....dance off with the teddy bear? lol....anyway.... 

stoked that i got to see TWO episodes BEFORE December!!! wow...what a way to spend my Saterday!<3<3

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just watched season 2 episode

just watched season 2 episode 3 on yt..the voices were a pitch higher but i guess i cant complain...annndd....theres a surprise( or 2):/! and not the one you'd think of either...no this is something you forgot about...i really want to tell you..buuutttt....i'll wait till you see it first! XD

this one doesn't contribute much to the overall story, again much like they did with season 1, but it is rather cute!:D

one thing is, you don't see Adrien in this episode.

im starting to think i'll get to see most of the season before december with all the yt videos on them.



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Episode 3!

*sees post*


*runs over YouTube*


Oh, my goodness, chipmunk voices. *rubs ear painfully* Whatever gets by the sensors, I suppose.


At first I thought it was kind of a deviation from the norm that there's not even a mention of Marinette's crush on Ladybug, but seeing as the entire episode is basically about in-universe LadyNoir shipping, they got they still played that one-sided romance card that keeps us all hooked.


And oh, goodness, this episode is pure fan fodder! So much stuff is straight from standard Miraculous fanfiction! Not gonna lie, even though I know it's pure pandering, I love it! XD

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i keep hearing about

i keep hearing about 'shipping'..then i scroll through comments feeling like a dummy about what they are talking about......do you think you could explain it to me?  i have no idea what that means.  or at least a video explaining it...;/

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....Either you're new to fandom culture or don't really immerse yourself in it. That's where the "ship" terminology comes from.


"Shipping" is when you support and/or desire two fictional characters in a relationship, or "ship" as it is often shortened to. This relationship doesn't have to be romantic - it can be a friendship, father/son ship, ect. - but generally it means romance. If you're not given any a "friendship" tag or something next to it, assume it's a romance. And many ships have "ship names," too, that are common vernacular to the particular fandoms to which those characters belong.


For example, in HTTYD, many people ship Hiccup/Astrid (Hiccstrid). Others may ship other ships like Hiccup/Merida (Merricup) or Hiccup/Heather (...I don't actually know Hiccup/Heather's ship name). The Miraculous fandom, meanwhile, is pretty much almost completely united around Marinette/Adrien (Adrienette).


The three main types of ships are:


A "canon ship" is, as you might guess, a ship that is canon. Hiccstrid is one. Harry/Ginny in Harry Potter is another. Adrienette is technically considered canon because they both desire each other (even though I've managed to turn that into a weirdly complicated two-person love square).


A "non-canon ship" would be a ship that doesn't happen in canon but people might prefer to canon ships. Hiccup/Heather was one of the ones I mentioned before.


A "crossover ship" is when you ship two characters from different franchises together, like Mericcup.


I personally only ever ship canon ships because I just don't see the point in making up ships that don't actually have a chance of happening. But that's just me. Others prefer to write their AU fanfiction where their favorite non-canon ship or crossover ship happens. Whatever floats your boat.


There's some other descriptive terms as well within these three types...


A "het ship" is when you ship a male with a female in a romantic relationship.


"Slash" is shipping two male characters in a romantic relationship.


"Fem-slash" is shipping two female characters in a romantic relationship.


A "one-sided ship" is when someone ships a couple where one character likes someone but those feelings aren't returned. This could technically apply to Marinette with Adrien or Cat Noir with Ladybug, since they don't know the other person is actually the person they like. (See? Weird little love square.)


A "three-way ship" is...exactly what it sounds like. Three characters shipped in a single relationship.


A "crack ship" is a silly joke ship that you don't take seriously. The idea amuses you in a parody sort of way, but you don't actually "support" it. It's just silly. For example, my HTTYD crack ship is Tuffnut/Chicken. XD


An OTP or "one true pairing" is basically the ship you like the most and are really invested in. I don't ship much personally, so Adrienette is pretty much the closest thing I have to an OTP...or maybe Percy/Annabeth (Percabeth) from Percy Jackson. You might also have OTPs for different fandoms, so technically you can have multiple "one true pairings." And these pairings could be any of the different types of pairings. I know a number of people who have non-canon and even crossover pairings for their OTPs.


And people get really attached to them. Like, it's kind of scary. To quote Daniel Howell (from danisnotonfire), "Don't insult someone's OTP. If they kill you, it's your fault."


Now OTP implies romance (remember, shipping means romance unless otherwise stated). A "BroTP", on the other hand, is your "one true bromance." Hiccup/Toothless friendship? My ultimate BroTP!


A "ship war" is...something you want to avoid. It's when two groups of people adamantly support two ships that conflict with each other. The closest thing I've seen to a ship war in the HTTYD fandom is Hiccstrid shippers versus Mericcup shippers. But the ultimate was the Ron/Hermione (Romione) shippers versus the Harry/Hermione (Harmione) shippers in the Harry Potter fandom. The Harry Potter ship wars were the stuff of legend! Part of the reason Miraculous is such a kind and positive fandom, I think, is because there's no ship wars. Like I said, everyone is united under one ship. But should you find yourself disagreeing with someone else's ship or vice versus in some other fandom, it's best to just say, "Ship and let ship."


And that's a crash-course in fandom shipping!

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*SURPRISE!!! Cat finds

*SURPRISE!!! Cat finds outabout the kiss! on tv no less!!!

How embarressing for Ladybug!

Nice try Cat, but Laybug isn't going for that!

awwww  they held hands...or at least Lady grabbed Cats.*


edit: wow thats a lot of shipping! i hopei wont have to pay for all that!

get it, because you can sometimes have free shipping and handling with mail!?

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Episode 4!!!!!! its in

Episode 4!!!!!! its in French, but has understandable english subtitles.


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Aw, the lucky bracelet

Aw, the lucky bracelet returns! That ending was so sweet! ^_^

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it eally was! Adrien made one

it eally was! Adrien made one especially for Merinette! i can't think of a sweeter gesture!  episode 5 should come out soon with some kind of english sub.

btw- love your profile pic...:)

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Thanks! ^_^

Thanks! ^_^

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episode 5
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Season 2 Episode 5 English Subs

The link for Episode 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwGMFQZV2PM


"[Distant cries from the love square fans]" XD


Edit: lol, we posted at the same time

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hahahaha...same post! thats

hahahaha...same post! thats hilarious! thsnk you! lol

edit: WOW! we did it again!lol

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Kinda dissapointing that

Kinda dissapointing that these won't come out till next year. They release concept art for it but make us wait for the actually 50 min. episodes to come out a full year later! cruel to us, but that's them keeping the hooks in us! Such is the life of entertainment!




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episode 7 will be where

episode 7 will be where Merinette's  pictures of Adrian in her room are revealed!!! 


plagg; oooooo.....another secret admirer!

Adrian; No she's not.  Merinette's just a friend.....


OOOOOOO IM SO EXCITED IMMA BURST!!!  Episode Should come out VERY soon!  I'll keep ya posted.


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a little tease for
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so for some reason they took

so for some reason they took a very long time getting episode 7 out and...it wasnt what they said it would be! 

cryyyyy...anyway i watched it...i dont mind adrinette..but this was just a little much even for me. there were some funny parts though. like hawk moth talking to the baby! lol.

episode 7

ill be waiting for what they said would be episode  thoguh. thats what we want!

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Actually, I thought it was

Actually, I thought it was pretty cute! That ending, though...I thought Marinette was finally going to ask him out and then...dang. :/ Plot advancement, where art thou?

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 I honestly only know the names of the characters....my sister talks on and on about it though! Definitely has some romance that I seem to enjoy (which is very rare that i like romance).  




This Siggy will be stripped of its words and put back up with a COMPLETELY new look!



(if you want to know more about the real me and some funny things...scroll down)

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​Before we go any further....



My name is Valasari, Viking from the Isle of Vanaheim. Home to the sick and elderly dragons who make their final pilgrimage to this sacred land. Not many Vikings have made it past the unblinking Sentinel gaurdians, who have stone-like statue appearances and have the element of surprise upon unsuspecting Vikings. They are actually blind, therefore rely on their hearing & smell. They have better hearing than most dragons because of their blindness.


Before you ask...YES I know that this is a Signature....buuut you know......





Saharii--Adult Rumblehorn

Zeena--Teen Monstrous Nightmare



Role Plays I am In:

I know...I need to get a life.


Messengers of Light


Between Two Worlds


Unsuspected Changes

The SweetWraith


The Elven''s Hope


Kalelians in Milldrany


A Fusion's Will To Live


Dragon Evolution: Rise of the Hybrids


Dragon Evolution: The Treaty


The Enhanced


The Fall of the Elementals


Dark Future 


Modern Riding








I come from the Isle of Vanaheim. So far, the Sentinels have trusted me enough to live among the poor old dragons on this sacred Island. Of course, my Dragons are with me. They had to prove that they were trustworthy, as well as loyal. I have sadly moved away from Vanheim to live in the School. My goal is to become an Ultimate Dragon Trainer and then go back to Vanaheim!! I wish to see the Sentinels again....someday, after I have achieve my goal.




I saved Saharii from a devastating situation. Dragon Hunters had caged him, but Hiccup and I rescued him just in time.

Now, Zeena, on the other talon, has a wonderful life, I am making sure of it. I wish to befriend more dragons. I hatched her from an egg and raised her. With some help from Saharii.


Join me in my quest to save dragons from scum. And as far as dragons are concerned...I wouldn't trade them for anything.....Would You?


Random Note: I'm Dati, btw. I'm in my teens and I'm a weirdo. XD




1. K-POP! (I'm training to become an idol)

2.Dragons!--WHO ON LOKI ISLAND doesn't LOVE dragons.

3.Horses--Beautiful animals

4.Razorwhips--my favourite dragons

5.My animals...'cause...well...just 'cause.

6.Reptiles--Who dosn't like scaly creatures?

7.Lord of the Rings--Obviously 'cause Gandolf is AWESOME and Legalos too

8.School of Dragons--Uh...I don't know what to say but I wish I could play it MORE!



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Wings of Fire  Tui.T. Sutherland

Pegasus Kate O'hearn

Narnia C.S.Lewis

Shadow Horse Alison Heart

​A Horse of Her Own Annie Wedekind

Menagerie Tui T. Sutherland

Buddy H. M. Herlong

(That's not all....but all my wittle brain could think of)




Funny things


I'm NOT clumsy. It's just that the floor hates me. The tables and chairs are bullies and the Wall Gets In The WAY!!



When someone told me I was in a fantasy, I fell off my Unicorn.


Friend: Did you fall?

Me: No, I attacked the floor.

Friend: Backwards?

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The morale of this story. Just believe the cold truth that you're a Klutz. 'Cause I sure am.


If a robber broke into our house to search for money....I would laugh and search with him.


I hate it when people text me and it says "call me". One day, I am going to call someone and say "text me".


I can't dance to save my life, but when I step in dog poo, I can moondance better than Michael Jackson. =)




Dad jokes:


 Dad lookes at me....."You know hon, I couldn't find a single shoe shop today". I breathe in a sigh of relief, knowing that he won't make a bad joke. Dad: "They only sold them in pairs". I bang my head on the wall.


Dad dances around in front of the ATM machine. Me: what are you doing? Dad: Just checking my balance. Me: *walks away to the car*


Dad in the morning: You know I stayed up all night wondering where the sun went....then it dawned on me.


Dad: Yesterday I ate a clock..it was very time consuming...especially when I went back for seconds!!


Dad: What's the difference between a piano, a tuna, and a pot of glue? Me: I don't know. Dad: You can tuna piano, but you can't piano a tuna. Me: What about the pot of glue? Dad: I knew that you would get stuck on that! Me: OHHHHHHHHHH


Dad: Did you hear about the guy in KC who was addicted to brake fluid? Me: No..... Dad: Good news! He can stop at any time.


Dad and I were at the store and he picks up the velcro: I wouldn't buy anything with velcro....it's a total rip-off.


Mom asks dad at Thanksgiving: How does the turkey smell? Dad: Through its nose, I guess. Me: I'm going to bed.


Dad after a nice hot shower: You know..... Me: Here it comes. Dad: Singing in the shower while washing your hair is all good 'till you get soap in your mouth.....it then it just becomes a soap opera....


That's All Folks!!

for now.....(evil laugh)




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theory time

I know whisper! They let us down..:,(...but ups and downs is the life of a series.


Ooooo....a new reader! Awesome Vala....we'll show you the ropes in no time, if you wanted to join us.;)


anyway... THEORY TIME!!

ok so since a few season 2 story tidbits were confirmed, we know that Hawk Moth has some sort of , big boss, right? Sooo, what if big boss has Mrs. Agreste and is forcing Mr. Agreste, as Hawk Moth, to censored and give him the cat and ladybug miraculous' in exchange for her? People would do anything for someone they care about right?


i don't know why but I just keep feeling like there's something bigger with mrs. agreste then a mysterious death. 

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update....but not...really..an update

sooooo, it's definintally December...and we remember that the producers said that season 2 was to be released to netflix this month. I've looked in so many places for info on this but all i could find were old articles. nothing new on the matter. seeing as how it's BEEN December and netflix hasnt send notice that season 2 will be arriving (enter date here), i'm starting to wonder if the release date given by the producers has, YET AGAIN (since May), been pushed forward after they had set a release time.:( Hoping this isn't the case.:/   i will continue research on this when i have time.

btw -they are being really slow with putting new season 2 episodes out. thats why no new episode links on here! It's been weeks, and i have 1 episode for it and it isn't really that good, so, i wont be linking it....for now. Hopefully someone will make another video of it but better and i can link that one. 


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and of course.....as i

and of course.....as i feared.....that is indeed....the case...:'(


mad, sad, revengeful.....plotting....campane


cant believe we have to wait that long....but on the good side, we will get a better story plot and animation.

But hey! we got to see the first like 6 episodes! we are some of the few to have seen them! we were privalidged.:)

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Ah dang

Ah dang

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~The pretty Trixx~ + perhaps a spoiler or 2

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Miraculous jewelry box(dormant)
China (past)

Powers and abilities:

Miraculous transformation


Trixx is a small orange creature that is 10 centimeters in height.[3] She has purple eyes, eyelashes on the side of her eyes, and two fox incisors. A small dark brown spot is above each of her eyes, appearing like eyebrows. She has long fox-like ears with white insides and black tips and edges, and she has a thick flexible tail with a white tip. Her forearms and lower legs are black, and the front of her body and the area around her mouth are white.


Trixx is able to fly, levitate, and phase through solid objects. She can also carry objects that are larger and/or heavier than her.

As a kwami, Trixx is able to transform the holder of the Fox Miraculous into a fox-themed superhero, although it is unknown as of now what powers the transformed person gains other than a flute as the tool of the Miraculous.


  • Trixx's name was revealed on October 7, 2016 during the Miraculous Ladybug panel at New York Comic-Con.
  • The real Fox Miraculous holder, not Lila's akumatized form, "will be potentially a recurring character," as revealed at the Miraculous Ladybug Anime Expo 2016 panel, which suggests that Trixx will also appear.[4]
  • Her appearance was first revealed by Miraculous fan Kenya Danino on August 5, 2016. She revealed the design on a clock she made that showcased all seven known kwami.[5]
    • It was later confirmed that the design she had shared was, in fact, the real appearance of the character.[6]
    • After Trixx's name was revealed, along with some concept art, at New York Comic Con 2016, Kenya posted a piece of concept art of her by Nathanaël Bronn.[7]


ZAG heroez is making season 2 and 3 at the same time so as not to wait!  hurray!(maybe)

I also found that there will be a season 4!

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The script for the first 10

The script for the first 10 minuntes for episode Troublemaker! (just a little more insight, not much is new)



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The Dark Owl

i finally got a good version of season 2 episode 8. It is in Frence with english sub so be ready to read! This will probably be the last episode we'll get to see of season 2 for while. Maybe till around spring.....But it's REALLY exciting so savor it!:)


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less then an hour ago.......

oooooooooooooooooo  ...............i dont know if i should believe it or not believe it!................ok........im gonna believe it, but keep my hopes near the ground. Heres a video update from mira bean. episode 9 and balcony info included.



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    HEEEEEYYYYYY im backkkk.....sorry but ive been inactive for months. school, school, school, MLB, MLB..... i rarely am on now. BUT!

  had to share the MLB update!!!.......SEASON 2 PART1 IS ON NETFLIX NOW IN US! 

yeah yeah. most have known about it. just had to type it tho!  I had already seen through episode 11 long before the release, so i only had ep. 12 to see......honestly....it seemed like one of their low-key episodes, not that much to it.  Yeah i know we first see Luka in it but, i'm not a fan of the luknette ship.  IT TOTALLY GETS IN THE WAY! They just don't...go together....i dont care if he DID play an original for our girl!


  but...hopefully...it will be enough to finally get the attention of "We're-just-friends"-Adrien-Agreste....it better be anyways... honestly....who is that oblivious...i hope he ends up feeling exactly what he should be....jealous. END OF STORY! ....wait NO , not end of story yet......they still have to end up together! ....corection: 'The BEGINNING of The END." ...that sounds right.


  No info on when part 2 will surface...unfortunately.  BUT! It is posted on Miraculous wiki that ZAG Heroez and partners are well into making season 2, 3, and 4....ALREADY!!! That means that they have already started the REVEAL EPISODE (squeal)....ok ok ok.   NoT ONLY that but...they had annouced that they will be making a season 5 and probably 6!!!!


    WOOOOOOWWWW!!!! What a ways we have come since 2015!  MLB is just now really taking off! (took ya'll long anough to FINALLY see the GREATNESS in this legacy!).....im back....

Also, ya'll probably already know this but a MLB STORE was opened in NYC recently...or was it California???  Anyway, you can look it up. it looks awesome.

Little update, The Miraculous movie has been pushed back from 2019 to 2020.  That was kinda expected though with all the seasons they have to complete. Frankly it's a wonder we MIGHT be getting it that soon. (had to put might in there. because you kknow, it's THOSE producers...again, who've pushed dates back hndreds of times).


    All this will get us GREAT story episodes and fuller, better seasons.  I, even though the wait is hard, am greatful that they can tell that the show needs more work and are willing to push it back to get it right the first time.

I know it'll be here someday soon and we all wait anxiously for that moment! Until then, we will just have to do with our MLB fantasies!!!....


   pppphhhooooo what an update!  But...it's bringing all the excitment back again...yay!!! 

i hope this brings the thread back to an even better life!

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soooo much to be excited about !!!!

also,....update #2...the Miraculous developers have been making an official game app for the show!

"Miraculous Ladybug: tales of Ladybug and Cat Noir" will be released around this April 28th...give or take a few days i think...just for info ;)

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Episode update

S2.E13...you know, just in case.



and...a little...spoiler(that looks real) for episode 14...(that will be coming out April 21nd at 8:30am local time!



(is anyone still reading this? ...whisp?...Val?...hello!!!?...)



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just got into this fandom btw so hello everyone


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Welcome Jediwhoridedragons!

OOOOOO YAY! A FELLOW MIRACULAR!!! Welcome to the fandom....This thread had a few follows but has since been 0 because there was 0 updates. I've been tring to get it back up and going. so...you can imajine my excitement when i got a track!!! Thank yo thank you thank you! (as least someone knows the glory of MLB...[looking at other forumers]) It might be just a little on the kiddish side but hey...we're HTTYD lovers right? the story is great!  


So just how much of the fandom do you know about? have you watched all of season 1, season 2 part 1? Do you know all the MLB ships? Have you read all the posts on here? Do you have any questions? Are you someone who minds spoilers? (personally i dont mind them...i hate cliff hangers and i like to be in the know). 


you just dont know how excited i am to finally have someone to share with follow this! by the way, where did you find out about this thread? Browsing or the link in my signature? It would help the fandom to grow if you put the thread link in your signature too, but that is intirely up to you bacause,,,you know....it's your signature.:D

 Oh i guess I should have told you that i've been a MLB fan for...8 months?....a year...eh who's countin'! :D

Keep following for more updates! I always looking for them daily to post. Well at least every other day!

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Hey! It was no problem at all, I was really glad to track this because I actually got to watch Zombizou and now I know the day when Syren comes out, so thank you too!! Ha ha true, and yeah, the story is good (at least post season 1, imo)


A decent amount I guess, I have been to the wiki and reddit and all that other fandom-y stuff, I've only been watching it for like two weeks tops but I've seen all the ones on Netflix (including the Christmas special) and also Zombizou and all the other mini-web comics. I'm also familiar with all the future miraculous holders (Chloe and Nino) and most of the other spoilers, I normally don't mind them unless they are huge (like the Johann one) or if it is the last season. I read all the posts on here, and I do have a few questions if you wouldn't mind answering. :)

1. Has it been confirmed that Hawk Moth wants the Miraculous to bring back his wife?

2. Is Lila really related to Volpina?

3. Who do you think the Peacock holder will be? (She's also going to be Hawk Moth's boss right?) If it's Mrs. Agreste, that would kind of make the whole show pointless, and I heard a lot of people say it might be Nathalie but she works under a man she knows is Hawk Moth so how would that work? 

I can relate to that, I'm always super excited to discover any fellow fans, especially if the fandoms aren't super mainstream like Star Wars, HP, or Marvel and DC. I remeber seeing this thread a couple months ago under the "Recent" and thinking "oh it's from that ladybug show", and then when I watched "That ladybug show" I thought about it and came to check it out again. I'll definatley put it in my siggy!

Oh wow that's a long time! (compared to me at least, going on two weeks lol) I'm one of those people who gets totally sucked into almost any fandom, and while it may not be my Main fandom (star wars and httyd) I still like it a lot. I first got into the show when I was outside the country and this was the only show they had on in English, I thought eh it was okay, maybe I'll watch it when I get the chance, and then more than a few months later I finally was like what the heck and i watched it all within the span of a week. I have to admit, the only reason I stuck through season one was because I wanted to see "the big reveal", it did not have much of a plot at all and got very very repetitive. I heard season two was a lot better though, and I was glad to see that it was. Finally we had some sort of ships, charecter, and villan development, as well as new information on the miraculous. My favorite episode is got to be either Gorizilla or Sapotis, though Dark Owl is close too. All the bad puns, slightly repetitive plot lines, and the fact that no one flipping realizes who these people are underneath a poorly disguising mask can get very annoying, but I still like the show a lot. Hawk Moth was probably the most anti-climactic reveal though, from the very beggining I was like oh hey look its adriens dad. Also I really want to see Chloe as Queen Bee, a lot of people hate her for being so cliche, and I don't really care about the redemption arc cause that's also so cliche I just want to see her compared to her civilian self and then all of their reactions when they find out who they all are. 

I think my favorite ship is Adrienette, though it doesn't quite matter which one you choose cause they're all the same two people. 

Also, there's a dragon miraculous, how cool is that???

Also, I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY want at least part of an episode that shows Adrien little with his parents, and also show some of the romance between Hawk Moth/Mr. Agreste and Emilie because that would make him so much more relatable and likeable, not just some villian who isn't smart enough to akumitize someone that's actually capable of defeating ladybug and cat noir. Honestly, that would make him so much more likeable and make the show so much more heatbreaking. Hawk Moth is tbh my favorite charecter, although Ayla is close behind. 

So many plot holes we could talk about though...

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1. Season 1 has been out a

1. Season 1 has been out a long time so there has been a lot of speculation of who hawkmoth was and why he's doing what he's doing. most already knew it was mr. agreste and we knew that mrs agreste had just disappeared in tidbet..whatever name it is. There has been a lot of time for theories and stories to go around and i'd say that everyone just really liked the idea that hawkmoth was focused on getting the 'apsolute power' to bring his wife either back to life or at least back to paris. Frankly it seems to be going that direction anyway. Either we got it right or the producers took to our idea and made it reality.  Then again, they could be throwing us off the scent and will make a big twist in the story, which, it needs. so to answer your question, no it hasn't been 'confirmed' but it's a big possibility.


2. Let me say, i haven't really looked into this.  i recently read a fanfiction that mentioned this though. The storys theory was that mr. agreste used the miraculous book as 'inspiration' to make a new fasion like. This included fake miraculous jewels.  Apparently Lila got one of them and claimed it was real.

Or the more simpler way is....she saw it in the miraculous book when she took it from Adrien and somehow got one of the jewels replicated just to fool people, like the lier she is.  (I've already seem through s2, ep.13 and Lila is still nowhere to be seen in any of them.  Where is she? We are definitely at the 1/2 mark so....idk.) Personally, I see no way Lila could be related to real volpina.  Since Alya is given the real fox jewel, i think there's more to that story but they just havent given us anything to work with.


3. mr. agreste has the peacock miraculous behind the picture of mrs. agreste. (where he keeps the book).  I think that the peacock miraculous once belonged to mrs. agreste, and for some reason left it in mr. agreste' care before going to tibet and she disappeared. I believe that natalie is either just another acumatized victim, someone totally different, or he acually is taking a desparite meature and acually gave the miraculous to natalie to do his bidding. After all, it would be LB and Chat up against another miraculous holder that they no nothing about. It wouldn't be just another acuma. And that would be a big game changer to the entire show. 


4. oh there is no 4....ok.

imma go ahead and post this, then either finish repling to the rest or do it over the next day or two.;)


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Sorry for the late reply, school and sports got super busy this week. 

Oh okay, thanks for clearing that up. Wait, Tibet? Has that been confirmed too? I always thought that when he said that he was just lying to Marinette. And also, this is very possible because I believe that in one of the episodes it ends  with Hawk Moth holding a locket with Emilie Agreste's face on it (maybe this was just fan edit, or maybe from a future episode, idk though), which makes it very likely that he was holding it to remind himself of the importance of getting the cat and ladybug miraculous'. And also it's just a very cliche villian thing to do. 


The fashion theory would make sense. I dont know if she would have had enough time to replicate the necklace in the short time between when she saw the book and when she began to display the necklace. I don't know if the episodes that are shown on Netflix go in chronological order, so that could be why it seems that she hasn't appeared yet, but either way if she doesn't show up soon I think that would be kind of weird after the ending of "Volpina". I don't know how the meeting between Rena Rouge and Volpina would work either, on one hand i like Rena Rouge a heck of a lot better than I liked Volpina but on the other hand I feel like if Lila's anscestor might actually be  one of the fox miraculous holders than it would be giving her the short straw to just sever her connection with all the miraculouses. Either way she defintaley needs to appear again, whether to close out her story or add on to it. 


Natalie knows about him being Hawk Moth though right? (Either that or she just accepts that he vanishes a lot into a secret underground chamber) I totally agree it would change the show a lot, maybe a more threatening villian could be just what it needs, like Viggo's introduction in RttE. Though I heard that the holder of the Peacock Miraculous will be Hawkmoth's boss and make him look like a baby in comparison (from the shows writers) so unless Natalie is just pulling sort of a Johann (kind of ) then I doubt that it could be her, and having Mrs. Agreste be the peacock miraculous holder would make the whole show kinda pointless( show revolves around (most likeley) haw moth trying to get her back, having her appear as his boss would just not work). 


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yeah i think i read somewhere on wiki that the big reveal will be in s3. But im holding onto the hope that it's at the end of s2 but that is looking more and more like it's not gonna happen. thus, we are stuck with our fanfictions and fantasies.  My fav is between gorizilla and dark owl...i think dark owl wins though..come on...now tikki and plagg know! that means we're closeto IT people!!!!

  I also saw a video waaaayyy back last year that supposed reason no one puts 2 and 2 together is the miraculous' doing..called 'the concealment'. It blocks the obvious but not if someone acually sees the detranformation. Alya is a smart cookie though. She still thinks it could be Adrien. Believe me i had the same thoughts. 'Um the developers didnt make this right, or ...everyone in this show is just dumb.' later....lightbulb! 'ohhh...the miraculous power...riiiggghhttt..that makes sense. now i'm totally ok with the 2 and 2 equals...'whaaa??-youre-crazy' aditude.'

I'm sorry....I REALLY LOVE CHAT'S PUNS HAHAHAHAA i know they're bad but i'm a funny person and i find the funny in everything.

Gotta admit...i didnt like chloe getting a miraculous at all.....at first. Now im glad for her character change. Now marinette and everyone else can have some peace! Apparently pollen the kwami has a very determined aditude and focus' on getting chloe to change but on by her own choice.

as far as shipping i love adrienette too...marichat is adorable, and i cant help but feel sick about lukanette. i know i know they wont end up together in the end....or will they...oh the sinking feeling again!....yeah they wont end up together in the end. like i said in a previous post. it should get the attention of we're-just-friends-'Adrien Agreste.   it's adrinette to the end!

a dragon miraculous??? are you serious!?!  Not that im really questioning YOU but do you have a link to info on that.  With MLB it's very strict about proof because of all the back and forth on what is what and when and if it's real or not. So links are vital. Just putting that out there;).

OH yes an Agreste family throwback scene!!! a thousand yes' on that! they better use that! i love that idea! this is the kind of ideas that we want on this thread ya'll-looks at seats that SHOULD be filled-. Share what you think and what you would like from the show.  

(thanks for posting jedi! i really enjoyed going over it. I dub tho 'an official fellow miracular- do stay devoted to tho show and giveith tho thoughts and info. LOL. that's a first for me doing that. Seriously though we need a joining MLB fan speech. maybe ill work on that. anyway have a lovely Sunday or monday...:) hope this is helpful

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Season Three? Really? That soon?? Unless they plan on only making three or maybe four seasons I hope they don't do that. The whole show kind of revolves around the shipping and the impending reveal, which is also the reason a lot of fans (including me) began watching it in the first place, and keep watching it now, just waiting for that reveal to happen. I'm sure people will still watch it afterwords, but once that reveal happens we'll know that its beginning to wind down. I'm really suprised that Tikki had no reaction to it, she hears every day how amazinh Adrien is and actually cares about helping Marinette with her crush (instead of just eating cheese, looking at you Plagg) so you'd think that she'd be equally as shocked if not more so, though I guess it also goes to show her more understanding and mature personality. 

That could definatley be, it seems like its a big deal that they have their identies a secret so it makes sense that the Miraculous would have some sort of power to do that, although, before they fought Hawk Moth, why would they need to keep their identies a secret (who would have used it against them?) Then agian, a lot of people in the fandom seem to have been convinced that Hawk Moth wasn't Chat Noir, so we shouldn't be so quick to point out this plot hole...

Chat's puns must run in the family, the only ones cheesier than his are his dad, no wonder Hawk Moth turned out to be Gabriel Agreste

Chloe having her own miraculous would definatley be where we get that charecter development from. I feel like half f the episodes from now on are going to be her causing someone to be akumitized in civilian form and then saving them in superhero form XD Her kwami's description sounds oddly, refreshing. NOt as cliche as I would have come to expect.

OH DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON LUKANETTE! Not to cause a shipping war or anything, but I do not like that paring at all. First of all, I think we can all rest assured that it will do nothing but create drama and a plot twist and maybe make Adrien start to realize he likes her as more of a friend, because if they were to end up together it would defeat the whole point of the show pretty much. The thing that bugs me about it is that it makes me question how much she actually likes/loves Adrien for her to switch that suddenly and quickly. I always get caught up trying to decide what ship from the love square I like best before I remember they're the same people anyway so it doesn't matter, though MariChat has its sweet moments and Ladrien is actually mutual for once. Kagami, much like Luka, will probably jusyt cause problems for the ship and create drama, though she has yet to appear agian as well. To bad she'll probably just be played for that, she seemed like a cool charecter. 

I was excited too, that would definatley be the miraculous I would want. I'm glad they stuck to this, dragons are a big part of Chinese culture and its verys interesting to me how they use that culture in the show to create a backstory for the kwamis. 

You know, I want that to happen so much in the show that a fan-fic of it might just appear "mysteriously" here in a couple of days *wink wink* having to do with that very topic

Another thing I want to see on the show is to find out where the heck Hawk Moth gets all the butterflies and whether or not the De-evilized butterfiles return to him or not.