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.o.

thats one big hammer o_o hopefully you wont need to use it CX

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It sure is! I also hope I

It sure is!
I also hope I won't have to use it.(besides for building and fixing things)

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I'm going to guess by the

I'm going to guess by the number of replies this topic has received in such a short amount of time, it is one hot mess. Maybe I'm wrong and there are just lots of kind, supportive messages. Yes. That is what it is. At any rate, I'd rather just leave a message here rather than read what has been written. 

 

I just wanted to say I know what it is like living in a violent society and being fearful for your personal safety almost constantly. Regardless of religion or race, history anything like that, it's really not a cool way for anyone to have live. Keep safe and keep as positive as you're able to. 

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Its actually all supportive

Its actually all supportive messages, isn't that fantastic? :D
And I think you should read it, its actually very interesting

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Update: Something is

Update:
Something is happening in the borders, there is a chance that I might hear a rocket siren today.
Well, at least I got to clean my bo.mb shelter out -_-

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That reminds me that I need

That reminds me that I need to clean my test bunker, self repairing armor has really sensitive calibration and I've run out of explosives to test it. It's also really heavy and can't stop anything more than a 9mm but since it's made of water, corn starch, and jello and held in place by ziplock bags and bamboo plates (Tastes awful by the way). All tests are done in a bunker that I designed to take the force of a mortar. 

You have my axe!

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Nah, hammy got my back.

Nah, hammy got my back.

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Situational update: Two new

Situational update:
Two new sta.bbing attacks occurred, three policemen injured, one in critical condition.
Two civilians were injured, the sta.bber in one of them was done by a 16 years old, he was shot.
Remember what I said about the terror.ists using their children and woman's as shields? Here's your example.

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Forgot to update, sorry. Last

Forgot to update, sorry.
Last night-
Around 6 sirens in the south
Tonight-
Another sta.bbing, starting to get used to it -_-
Schools in Jerusalem are protesting, my sister probably won't be going to school tomorrow -_-

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Update: 4 attack in one

Update:

4 attack in one morning, 2 killed and 22 injured

-_-

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Prime Minister Rabin was a

Prime Minister Rabin was a good and just man. How is settling the West Bank for which we have no legal authority any different than when Hitler annexed Austria and invaded Czechoslovakia while the world remained silent?

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I don't understand what you

I don't understand what you are trying to say

Care to explain?

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So I'm not the only one who

So I'm not the only one who had no idea what they said.

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I can't tell if he is

I can't tell if he is comparing me(and Israelis in general) to hi.tler

Or he is agreeing with me 

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I think he's doing both, but

I think he's doing both, but the first one more than the second.

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One must wonder why this is

One must wonder why this is happening to God's chosen people, God's people being murdered in the name of God. Is this an omen of things to come? What have we done to deserve God's wrath?

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...why..? Because there are

...why..?

Because there are obstacles in life,and we must surpass them!

That's why!

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 I'm pretty sure that guy is Hiccdew reincarnated and is trying to troll you by saying your side of the war is bad when really things are too complicated to pick out any one bad guy or side. 

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Israeli unlawful proposal unnerves Jerusalem's Palestinians

JERUSALEM — An Israeli proposal that could potentially strip tens of thousands of Palestinians in Jerusalem of their residency rights has sent shudders through the targeted Arab neighborhoods — areas that were dumped outside Israel's separation barrier a decade ago, even though they are within the city's boundaries.
The government's review of the status of these neighborhoods, home to tens of thousands of people, illustrates the fragile position of Palestinians in a city where they have long suffered discrimination and are caught between the pragmatic conveniences of living under Israeli control and the loyalties to the Palestinian cause.
With few exceptions, Jerusalem's Palestinians are not Israeli citizens, and instead hold residency status that can be revoked. Removing residency rights en masse appears highly unlikely due to legal hurdles and domestic and international opposition. But government critics said the fact that it is even being discussed sent an ominous message to Palestinians.
"There is nothing permanent about permanent residency," said Yudith Oppenheimer, executive director of Ir Amim, an advocacy group that promotes coexistence and equality in the city. "This is another reminder for them how conditional that status is."
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered the review at a recent meeting called to discuss a wave of Israeli-Palestinian violence that has roiled the area in the past month. About a third of the city's 300,000 Palestinians live in these neighborhoods.
An official who attended the meeting said the review would look at "all the issues" affecting these neighborhoods, including residency rights, which are coveted by Palestinians because they allow them to work and move freely inside Israel and gain access to Israeli health care and social services. The official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss internal deliberations, said the latest violence had exposed a "vacuum" in these outlying neighborhoods, which have a minimal Israeli presence but are not considered West Bank territory.
In the past five weeks, 11 Israelis have been killed in Palestinian attacks, mostly stabbings, while 54 Palestinians, including 32 labeled by Israel as attackers, have died from Israeli fire. Many of the Palestinian attackers have originated in east Jerusalem, the section of the city captured by Israel in 1967 and claimed by the Palestinians for their capital.
Israel has responded with a crackdown in Palestinian neighborhoods, deploying thousands of security forces and placing roadblocks and military-style checkpoints at the entrances. The new review of those areas that lie outside the separation barrier has increased Palestinian fears that they are not wanted.
"We are part of the Palestinian people. We are Jerusalemites, and we will remain in Jerusalem until a political solution is found," said Munir Izghayer, a community leader in the Kufr Aqab neighborhood.
Israel captured then-mainly Arab east Jerusalem in the 1967 Middle East war. After the war, it redrew Jerusalem's municipal boundary, expanding it into the West Bank to encompass what were then small Palestinian communities, and annexed the lands that were made part of the city as part of its capital.
The annexation was never internationally recognized, and few Palestinians applied for Israeli citizenship, viewing it as acceptance of an illegitimate occupation.
Today, Jerusalem is an open city, and thousands of Palestinians work in the more affluent western part. But interaction between Jews and Arabs is largely superficial, and Arab neighborhoods suffer from neglect and poverty, with overcrowded classrooms, pothole-ridden roads and limited municipal services.
The situation is especially dire in neighborhoods outside the separation barrier.
Israel built the barrier in the 2000s in response to a wave of suicide bombings and other deadly attacks. In Jerusalem, the structure slices through some Arab neighborhoods and places others on the West Bank side altogether.
With development tightly restricted by Israel, Arab neighborhoods inside the barrier have seen real estate values skyrocket in recent years due to a housing crunch.
As a result, areas outside the barrier have experienced a wave of unregulated construction as people search for cheaper housing within municipal boundaries, since leaving the city for nearby West Bank communities could result in a loss of residency rights.

"They are building everywhere here to find places for poor Jerusalemites to live in because if they move to the West Bank, their IDs will be taken" said Mohammed Samarah, a 59-year-old unemployed restaurant worker, pointing to a new 12-story high-rise in Kufr Aqab.
Although these outlying neighborhoods are considered part of the city, residents must pass through checkpoints in order to reach jobs, hospitals and holy sites in the heart of east Jerusalem. Israeli work crews rarely venture beyond the barrier, fearing confrontations with the local population. Last year, some areas had limited or no running water for weeks.
Samarah, who grew up in Jerusalem's Old City, said he now fears that Israel is plotting to take away his residency rights, which include unemployment assistance of about $600 a month. Since 1967, Israel has stripped some 14,000 Palestinians of residency, mostly in cases of people who have moved away, even to the West Bank, for more than seven years.
"I'm very concerned about my ID. The only way to protect it is to go and live inside Jerusalem, but I don't have money. It's very expensive to live out there. I will wait and see," he said.
But most important, he said he was concerned about losing his connection to the Old City — site of the Al-Aqsa Mosque, an important Palestinian national symbol that has been at the center of the latest unrest.
"I want the ID to go to the Old City, to the Al-Aqsa Mosque, to the place of my childhood," he said.
Netanyahu's office declined to comment on his plans. Mayor Nir Barkat's office also refused to discuss Netanyahu's latest proposal, though in the past the mayor has said he has worked hard to narrow the gaps between the city's western and eastern sections.
The odds of Israel actually taking action appear slim. Israeli leaders often brag about keeping Jerusalem unified, and dividing the city, even its outlying parts, would likely run into opposition from nationalists who dominate Netanyahu's coalition.
Emanuel Gross, a law professor at the University of Haifa, said the plan would require passage of a new law in parliament and could also violate international law. "This is not a simple thing," he said.
Asked about the proposal on Monday, U.S. State Department spokesman John Kirby urged Israel to avoid "provocative actions and rhetoric," and said stripping people of their rights "would certainly be of concern to us."
Oppenheimer, the coexistence activist, said suggestions that these neighborhoods could simply be turned over to the West Bank failed to recognize the deep Palestinian connection to Jerusalem.
"They moved to these areas because they insisted on being Jerusalemites, and this is the only way they can maintain their Jerusalem status," she said. "We cannot deny all these ties to the city, cut them off from the city, and think they will become something else."
 

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...You're kind of annoying.

...You're kind of annoying. Just saying. :\

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Palestinians...? Never heard

Palestinians...?
Never heard of those.
Probably because Palestine never existed.
Just wondering: have you ever been to Israel, or met a non-leftist israeli? No? Too bad.
Seriously, what LIES has the media been feeding you? Yes, we killed Arabs, non-innocent-human-killing-arabs in an attempt to defend ourselves.
If someone came and tried to sta.b you would you just lay on the ground and take it?
No?
That's what I thought.
I know that there are three sides, and one is full of arabs who just want to live their lives peacefully.
But they can't, because the mur.derers have been ruining their name.
Please do some REAL research before you badmouth my home.

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Palestinians...?Never heard

Palestinians...?
Never heard of those.
Probably because Palestine never existed.
Just wondering: have you ever been to Israel, or met a non-leftist israeli? No? Too bad.
Seriously, what LIES has the media been feeding you? Yes, we killed Arabs, non-innocent-human-killing-arabs in an attempt to defend ourselves.
If someone came and tried to sta.b you would you just lay on the ground and take it?
No?
That's what I thought.
I know that there are three sides, and one is full of arabs who just want to live their lives peacefully.
But they can't, because the mur.derers have been ruining their name.
Please do some REAL research before you badmouth my home.

 

My, how those words echo despotism:

  • Putin saying Ukraine does not exist
  • Stalin's Operation Lentil
  • Nazi invasion of Poland under the excuse of defending Germany
  • Chinese claims that Tibet never existed
  • The European and Japanese occupations of China
  • Etc.

It's typical for fascists to accuse criticisms of being lies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Israeli_government

 

Israelis are no strangers to attacking journalists:

https://en.rsf.org/israel.html

 

For those who are interested, Israel also has racist bias against Ethiopian Jews.

 

Of course, right-wing/fascists want to suppress criticisms and freedom of press for fear that they would weaken Israel's legitimacy.

 

 

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^^

If you're going to ramble about randomness, at least make sure it's accurate.

Oh, and don't believe everything you read on wikepedia. Some of it is false fact.

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Except when they're

Except when they're verifiably true. ^_^

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The name of the country WAS

The name of the country WAS Palestine for a short amount of time, but it was changed back to Israel.
Please, stop arguing about something you know nothing about.

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What my parents told me about this issue

The Israel Palestine issue is not really like the N.azi takeovers since the Jewish people (who founded Israel) were originally put there by other countrys who didn't want them when they were fleeing the Nazis. (They didn't take the land to be malicious. They took it because they needed a home) The people now called Palestinians were the original people on that land and it probably wasn't the nicest thing ever for the other countrys to take it from them to make Israel but that doesn't mean the people who live in Israel now have any less right to exist or be there than the Palestinians. The issue is much more akin to what happened in the U.S. with the native Americans than it is to the Nazis only with a lot more religions friction and the fact that the war never really stopped. Countrys tend to be made through war unfortunately. What happened to the native Americans was terrible and what happened to the natives of this issue was terrible but now Israel has been there a while just like how the U.S. has been there a while it. In both cases most people who are there know no other home and it would be no more justified to move them than it was to move the original people. (I hope that never happens again to any more native people around the world. I hope people have learned better than that) The truth is that Israel exists, has existed for a while and has very little chance of stopping existing so instead of trying to kill and mame innocent civilians the people in this war need to learn that violence isn't going to solve anything. It just makes the other side hate your side more. There are other ways to get rid of prejudice than bombing a buss you know and most of them are a lot more effective. The leaders of all sides really just need to sit down and talk to each other and compromise. Now I know that considering the hatred going back and forth over this war that has been going on so long that it is not an easy thing to do. But the constant violence is only going to bring more violence from both sides.

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Yes, our leaders should

Yes, our leaders should talk
Actually, the prime minister of Israel has asked for a peace/cease fire a ton of times.
Guess what, they(not the Israelis) broke it each time.
Oh, by the way, one of the people injured in am attack 2 weeks ago di.ed :(

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Have you read the book Black

Have you read the book Black Earth? The author provides arguments about how the Holocaust was possible in part because of the destruction of the nation states of eastern Europe. The author also shows how Hitler was inspired by the American colonization of native American lands. Colonization of the West Bank is much much more convenient without the roadblock of a Palestinian nation state.

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The Israel people are not like Hitler. I don't doubt that Hitler probably saw colonization as a good thing but Israel was made by countrys who didn't want a bunch of Jewish immigrants flooding their borders. In other words they were put there rather than colonizing it the normal way. They went there because they literally had nowhere else to go. Now does this mean that they are perfect angels? No. They've done some very bad stuff too that the person who made this thread is probably blind to because I'm willing to bet their government only told them their side of the story but they aren't Hitler and that is not a fair comparison at all. 

 

((Also Hitler literally wanted to take over the whole world. Everyone else colonizing just wanted more resources and land or they wanted to escape prosecution in their original countrys (and then prosecuted people in the new countrys because everyone back then had no idea the other side had feelings apparently). Hitler is still worse than almost everyone in the whole world))

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Wow,way to callme

Wow,way to callme blind.
Anyways, I know we've done bad things, everyone does.
But absolutely none of us have tried running into a cafe with a bo.mb strapped to us to "make a point"

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Not meant to be an insult.

Everyone in a war is blind to something my friend. It's unavoidable to have a little bias when your neabors are getting stabbed by the worse members of the other side.

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True, I DARE you to watch as

True, I DARE you to watch as the people of your country get brutally mu.rdered every single day :I

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I'll pass

We're too busy killing ourselves with obesity, crazy people being able to get guns without even a license and a broken government that's too busy arguing with itself to fix the economy. We also have cops that shoot black people.

 

 

 

Not nearly the same amount of horror you go through of course but still very worrying.

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Almost everyone in the area I

Almost everyone in the area I live in own guns with licenses
The rest don't own guns at all XD
We also have dogs, lots and lots of dogs XD

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At least you guys actually need them. Over here we've had people buy guns (which aren't regulated even the teeniest bit) and then they go and kill everyone in a school. It happens disturbingly a lot too for a country not at war with anyone. Really. Is requiring a license really all that h.ard to implement? Our government is completely broken right now. We have gun rights activists over here who act like any sort of control means the guns will be taken away completely too. The worst of these people walk into random places with guns in plain sight (not little ones mind you I mean like riffles, assault riffles and shotguns and stuff) and then get insulted if anyone looks at them funny. They even sometimes have several HUGE guns on them when they do it too. 

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Most people that are in the

Most people that are in the army walk around with their (huge) guns strapped to themselves
Do you know what they get for that?
Stares
But the good kind :D
I agree, guns are for defense, you're supposed to keep them HIDDEN(if you're just a regular citizen)

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Most of the guns right activists I'm talking about are NOT in the military. They are normal citizens who don't care enough for other people's comfort to NOT look like they are about to rob everywhere they go.

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I already know that, I just

I already know that, I just Just wanted to point out that it's okay to have your gun out if youre in the military.
America is the terrible, I'm so happy I moved out XD

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Speaking of black people

Speaking of black people being shot:

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/ferguson-gaza_n_5679923.html

 

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Israeli bullets? You mean the

Israeli bullets?
You mean the ones that went through your child because you sent him out to sta.b some people?
And Israel never helped?
Where was America during napal again?
Bom.bed?
WE SEND WARNINGS
Just because your 'authorities ' force you stay put and act like shields doesn't mean it's OUR fault!
They're in subhuman conditions because they refuse to take our help!
Guess who's been supplying Gaza with electricity?
Us.
I don't remember us blockading.
Please, I wanted this thread to be here so I could talk and get support from my friends, I don't need any pathetic trolls like you on it.

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^Ah, the right-wing fascist

^Ah, the right-wing fascist propaganda.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/keith-ellison-end-the-gaza-blockade-to-achieve-peace/2014/07/29/e5e707c4-16a1-11e4-85b6-c1451e622637_story.html

 

By Keith Ellison July 29, 2014

Keith Ellison, a Democrat, represents Minnesota’s 5th District in the House of Representatives.

It seems as though each day brings new horrors and heartbreaks in the Holy Land. More than 1,000 dead. Gazan children blown up on the beach. A U.N. shelter hit. Two-thirds of Israelis living in fear from indiscriminate rocket fire launched by Hamas. But as the calls for a cease-fire gain momentum, it is important to understand that many Gazans who have no association with Hamas view the return to the way things were as unacceptable.

These people aren’t rocket shooters or combatants. For the past several years they have lived in dreadful isolation. The status quo for ordinary Gazans is a continuation of no jobs and no freedom. This is not an attractive future. Gazans want and deserve the dignity of economic opportunity and freedom to move. This can be accomplished only with an end to the blockade of the Gaza Strip, which must be considered within the framework of a cease-fire. Israelis likewise deserve to live free of rocket fire and terror attacks. In order for Israelis to live safely and securely in their homes, Hamas must give up its rockets and other weapons.

I have traveled to Gaza three times since 2009 and have visited hospitals and schools there. As I have talked with ordinary Gazans, I have not encountered anyone representing Hamas. During one visit, I had the opportunity to meet Scott Anderson, deputy director of the U.N. Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA). Anderson, a 21-year veteran of the U.S. Army, said it best when I spoke to him again this week: “Unless there is material change to the status quo, you’re just resetting the clock for another cycle of violence.” Continuing to block goods and services to and from Gaza keeps the keys to opportunity away from the people who just want to live, work and travel.

The vast majority of Gazans do not support firing rockets into Israel or killing Israelis. In fact, the majority of people in Gaza are women and children. During my first visit to the region, this fact was clear: There were kids everywhere. This week, I also spoke with Yousef Moussa, chief area operations officer at the UNRWA office in Rafah. He puts this observation in context, noting, “50 percent of Gazans are under the age of 18. Seventy percent of Gazans are women and children. 80 percent of Gazans live below the poverty line. Relatively few Gazans are associated with Hamas.”

 

So how can the international community support those Gazans who don’t support indiscriminate rocket fire? We could take steps to allow for the safe flow of goods and services into Gaza and the export of goods and services to neighboring countries. We could advocate for Gazans to have freedom of movement. Now, if you’re a Gazan traveling in the West Bank, the Israeli military can forcibly return you to Gaza. Being able to import goods such as food, fuel and medicine would mean that Gazans would not be forced to buy necessities from a tunnel economy controlled by extremists. International actors should be involved in the process to address Israel’s security concerns about lifting the blockade.

The blockade prevents development in Gaza. Egypt and Israel argue that the blockade is designed to cut off resources from terrorists, but really it has brought those who want a better life to their knees while the bad actors still have their rockets. Before the blockade, the United Nations provided food to 80,000 in Gaza; today it provides food to 830,000 .

Israel and Egypt also view the blockade as a success because it pushed Hamas into a financial crisis. This is short-term thinking. It ignores the fact that the economic devastation from the blockade weakens the public and private sectors in Gaza and strengthens extremists and smuggling enterprises. Repression and deprivation fuel terrorism; economic development and inclusion can fuel long-term peace.

A viable path beyond the current crisis would empower Gazans and weaken extremists who benefit from their suffering. The international community, especially nations in the region, should help Gazans rebuild their demolished homes and businesses. But who will invest if war will predictably break out every two years?

There is no military solution to this conflict. The status quo brings only continued pain, suffering and war. Promoting economic development and social interaction in Gaza is in the long-term security interest of Israel and the rest of the region. The relative calm that existed during Secretary of State John Kerry’s extended diplomatic talks between Israel and the Palestinians during 2013-14 shows that engaging in dialogue is the first step toward stopping the violence.

Ultimately, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict must be resolved with a final status agreement, and ending the violence and the blockade is a first step toward a permanent solution.

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Dear cult of mildew: Please

Dear cult of mildew:
Please boycott my country so you won't be able to use your computer
Or use most types of medicine
Or eat cherry tomatoes
You do know that you're reading half of the truth, ...right...?

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^This is how one should

^This is how one should respond when ever anyone confronts one's propaganda and indoctrination.

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-_- I'm not going to bother

-_-
I'm not going to bother talking to you anymore.

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I just have to say it.

Can I just point out that you two are reenacting a mini version of the war on this thread? 

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heh.

That's actually pretty true XD
Well, I call for a cease fire!
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I'm just citing sources of

I'm just citing sources of information. It's not my fault she feels violence towards me. I can't control her behavior.

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....violence....? ....wha..?

....violence....?
....wha..?
....I cant even....

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Cult of Mildew is almost

Cult of Mildew is almost certainly Hiccdew with a new account.

 

I know it can be hard when it comes to something personal, but Don't Feed the Trolls.

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I'm mostly surprised that

I'm mostly surprised that hiccdew would attack someone who actually liked him.
Well, that just goes to show that you can't satisfy a troll.