Idea for a New (and Better) Series than Nine Realms)

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90% of us can agree we hate Thunder's design and even more disturbing is that Dreamworks started singing Sweet Home Alabama when they made him. Instead of milking NLs though, I was talking to a fellow forum user named Vintages and we both agreed that a REALLY great idea for a new HTTYD spinoff series was the story of Toothless before he met Hiccup, starting from when he was a hatchling. A couple of people said Toothless was looking for NFs before Thunder was looking for NLs but actually that was Hiccup looking for NFs and Toothless went along with it, but otherwise didn't seem to care enough to bother with it himself. 

But when Toothless was separated from his family/flock/group/etc. he probably WAS looking for them, or getting over their deaths. The directors confirmed Toothless was the last remaining NF. But in the series he's extremely indifferent to this sad fact. I'd love to see the closure Toothless had that would make him totally give up and not care about the possibility of finding other NFs. 

Thoughts on this new series idea? Additions to the plot? Would love to hear insight on your opinions!


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Toothless' past would work as a short movie rather than a series. It would still be very enjoyable to watch! I love this idea. What would work as an entire series is Valka's life right after she was taken by Cloudjumper to the Bewilderbeast's nest. If anyone deserves their own series, it's Valka. It would definitely be amazing to watch her interactions with the dragons, bonding with Cloudjumper, how she learned everything she knew about dragons, the places she explored beyond Hiccup's map, her battles with Drago and Eret, rescuing dragons from them, and most importantly her thoughts and feelings through all of that knowing she still had a family on Berk who thought she was really gone. We're missing 20 YEARS of an interesting life here!! And Dreamworks is just ignoring it and not giving this character the attention she deserves.


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I agree with Era that it

I agree with Era that it might work better as a short or an episode in another series. There're shorts and scenes that convey stories without words before like pixar shorts, student films or scenes like Furies in love, Forbidden friendship and Third dates but to have no talking in a long run series is very rare and amibitious and i only seen it done and done well once in "Primal" (seriously if you are 18+ or okay with blo.od and hyper cartoon violence, go check that out). Not saying i myself dont love to have more of such ambitious series.


I think it would work as an episode in the anthology style series like Star wars Vision. I have said before in a different thread kinda like this one that HTTYD universe has a huge potential for spin offs with worldbuilding and wild variety of dragons like this if only they just forgot about Toothless and Hiccup and tell a completely different stories of different characters and settings AND Executed it well (Because both RR and Nine realm do fit the former bin). I wish they just left the Night fury look completely and focus on protagonist dragons with completely different looks and body shape because let face it, even Winger the Swiftwing from RR is just recolored night fury. Give me a boy bond with a gronckle. Give me a hunter story with their pet deathgripper etc.


I love Era's idea of Valka prequel and i like your toothless idea so i purpose a Star wars vision style anthology series. Each episodes telling different stories that may or may not relate to the character we know set in the HTTYD universe, can be in different setting and timelines. Some past, some future, some in between. I think if i am to pitch a episode for this i would be okay with generic story about another human dragon pair just with completely different looking dragons. A terrible terror, gronckle, skrill, deathgripper, whispering death, adomibumble, thunderdrum, anything.


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I agree

I agree with this. I also wished they made a series between the second qnd third movie, with the defenders, berserker, wingmaidens, all the RTTE tribes.



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Defeating the Hunters




Far away from School of Dragons, near the Auction island, a Hunter were counting dragon bones in front of an enormous cage on a ship. Inside the cage, were the Deathgribber. Every time it roars a roar, the hunter’s sword would scare it to death. 




From the dark night’s sky, 6 shadows arose from the ocean. Its silhouettes got closer and closer to the ship as the hunter stared at them with panic, blankly. Now that the silhouettes were really close to the ship, the hunter was able to see the riders on the dragons’ back. The riders.




“Drago! Drago!” The hunter shouted. “The riders are here!”




“Stormfly, spike shot!” Shouted the rider on a Deadly Nadder. The spikes pinned the hunter to the ground.




“Furies, plasma blast!” Shouted another rider. Four Furies’ lightening like shots burned down all the defense watch tower, making the hunters scream and jump off. 




The Nadder and a Fury headed toward the hunters, dodging arrows and shooting fire as they went. While they were on their mission, the other three Furies, the Night Lights and a young rider went down to the cage where the Deathgribber were trapped.




“Pouncer, Dart, Ruffrunner! Make sure that the hunter doesn’t move until we finish rescuing the Deathgribber.” The rider took off its mask and hood. His platinum blonde hair, purple eye, and a scar, on his right eye.




“Huh, I wondered who this young rider was, but it looks like my brother Kaze. How dare you getting out of here and coming back as a dragon rider.” The hunter said. “Remove this rope for me, brother or else… hey you, white crazy fury! Stop biting my foot! Green black fury! Stop squishing me! And you, muffed blue fury, close your nasty mouth up!” The more the hunter struggled, the more the Night Lights got upset and anxious. 




“Calm down, guys. You guys just keep him quiet, okay?” Kaze told the Night Lights. “I’ll have to rescue this big guy.” 




Kaze slowly opened the cage, and dropped his weapons. It is for the hunters, not for the creature. Kaze reached his hands out right in front of Deathgribber.  It looked at Kaze cautiously, but accepted him, and welcomed him onto its back. 








Suddenly, a screaming of anger emerged from the ship. It was Drago Bloodfist. Kaze quickly unleashed the Deathgribber and faced Drago.




“Looks like it is the young rider Kaze, isn’t? Give me. Give back the Deathgribber right now!” Drago shouted.




“No, Drago. The dragons are meant to be in peace, not your dragon army, that you are trying to collect from years ago.”




Drago and his Bewilderbeast have been defeated by Toothless and Hiccup. The Bewilderbeast returned to its home, the hidden world. Lucky for Drago, it swam there floating. One day on its journey, Drago on the bewilder beast’s back saw Stormheart’s ship. He told Stormheart about everything that have happened and Stormheart, who dislikes the dragon riders gladly helped Drago retreat. Once Drago have fully retreated and got another arm, he decided one more thing that he wanted or needed to do. Collect dragons and bring back Valka’s Bewilderbeast back to life. When a viking collects items for the Dragon eye and melt it, it turns into a potion that can bring dead things to life. Drago stole the Dragon Eye with unknown existence from Trader Johan’s old ship and succeeded to make the potion. And with the old Valka’s Bewilderbeast under his control, he had started Dragon hunting again.




“Bewilderbeast!” Drago shouted. Valka’s might Bewilderbeast arose from water below, just like how Drago’s old Bewilderbeast had done. It eye color had changed, cursed with hunter’s power.  Drago pointed his stick toward the Deathgribber that had been rescued. 




The Deathgribber struggled with the Bewilderbeast’s mind control for minutes, but collapsed powerlessly. Kaze quickly grabbed his weapon and looked straight into Drago’s eyes. 




“Kaze! Be careful! Drago is powerful than anything if he has Bewilderbeast is next to him!” Hiccup and Astrid shouted as the dismounted Toothless and Stormfly, trying to stop Kaze. But Kaze didn’t budge.




“I cannot let a dragon get hurt by a hunter. I am a rider, I protect dragons, and that’s the life I chose. I would not feel bad even I hideif my death was for a dragon.” Kaze answered. 




“Young rider. Shoot him!” Drago ordered the Bewilderbeast.




Cursed Bewilderbeast blasted its cold breath and covered Kaze up.




As Hiccup and Astrid stared at it happen in shock, the Deathgribber stood up again. It jumped toward the ice and started scratching it with sharp claws and poisonous tail. It shot fire at it and managed to  make a crack. It ran back few meters and rushed toward the ice. With a crash, the ice lost capability and letted go off Kaze alive.




Night Lights hopped around Kaze and Toothless and Stormfly blasted fireballs with joy. 




“Kaze!” Shouted Astrid “You are alive! Thank goodness!” 




“I’m fine, Astrid. How did… I got out?” Kaze asked.




“The Deathgribber saved your life, Kaze.” Hiccup replied.




Drago stared at Kaze escaping out of the ice. His minds were mixed up. A dragon saved a hunter? It was alive? It reminded him of the battle few years ago. He got so deep into his thoughts with anger that when he noticed, he was grabbed by the Deathgribber The Deathgribber dropped Drago into the Ocean, colder than the North Pole. With all the coldness around him, Drago lost his mind and never floated.




The School




“Well, Kaze, it’s great that you are back to School of Dragons and able to join the riders again! Can I ask you something?” Hiccup said.




“Yes, Chief. What is it?” 




“I would like you to help the Deathgribber find a new home. All the dragons we rescued that night, we have found new riders for them, but this Deathgribber looks like he prefers you more than any other riders. Would you like to have him? I think that you guys would make a great bond.”




“Really, Chief? I can really have him? God, this is the most amazing thing ever that happened these days!” As Kaze finished his sentence, the Deathgribber joyfully jumped around him and scooped him up onto its back with its teeth. 




“What are you going to name him, Kaze?” Astrid asked.




“Oh, you should name him Hookfang the Second!” Snotlout shouted.




“No, you should name him Tuffnut Dragon!” “No, Ruffnut Dragon!” The twins argued.




“Maybe Kaze Legs! It would be so cute!” Fishlegs shouted out his idea.




"You guys didn't even come to help us! Why do you think that you get a chance to name a strike class dragon?" Astrid argued.




“Okay guys,” Hiccup said. “Let Kaze think. It’s his buddy.”




Kaze thought for a very long time, and said out loud. “Stormer. He rescued my life like a Storm. He is the mightiest Deathgribber I’ve seen!” 







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I have a theory that the reason Toothless never really sought out other Night Furies is that they live a solitary life until they find a mate. In "We are family", Hiccup finds a fake record of Night Furies, saying they're unfriendly to other dragons. Now, this was just a rouse, but it makes you wonder. There are no Night Fury indicators anywhere. Not even on Vanahiem, the universal retirement island and final resting place of all dragons. In Gift of the Night Fury, Toothless showed no interest in seeking out a mate, even if he wasn't to find one. He innocently went to retrieve Hiccup's helmet while all the other dragons went off to spawn. Night Furies don't seem to associate with other dragons by choice, which brings us to the first movie.
The dragons lived under the Red Death's iron fist, and would likely just leave if they could. Problem is, she can vastly overpower the entire flock, and any act of rebellion would likely be met with severe punishment. Toothless may have been a Night Fury, but it's likely that a large enough group of the common 4 species could overpower him, instructed to by the Red Death in a sort of "Bring him back, or your own loved ones will be eaten" manner. Even if he never brought back food, she likely saw success sending him out as a distraction so the other dragons could steal more food. It's entirely possible that Toothless had somehow been taken into the flock against his will from the start, if he didn't simply join it and find himself unable to leave because he was too young to fend for himself at the time. Hiccup's influence and/or Toothless' time in the Red Death's flock could have made him a little more inclined to be social with other dragons, something he very much was.
We know that Furies mate for life, and care for their young. In Toothless' time, he never did seem to crave contact from his own kind, though the other species often associated with their own. In addition to being based on a panther (panthers are raised by their mother alone before leaving her when they grow up), I theorize that the hatchlings are raised either solely by both parents, or with help from the previous clutch when they reach their teen years. Where they go, if anywhere, when it's time to "retire" is still a mystery, so it'd be nice to also see that.