Avengers - Age of Ultron Movie *SPOILERS*

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A discussion thread for Age of Ultron...one amazing movie! Thid contains spoilers. So don't get angry if you didn't want to read them and do...I warned you twice.

Normally I can see things coming in a movie, but I was so engrissed in this one that I did not care. So a lot of stuff made me sad.

For example, I was in live with the whole Natasha Banner thing! It brougjt out a side of Natasha we hadn't seen before and made her a little more 3D. So when the hulk turned off the contact banner near the end I almost jumped out of my theatre seat and screamed at him. *sniff*

Or when e twin died...or when Vision was created.

All things I normally forsee in a movie...however I didn't because the movie hypnotized me XD

What about you? What was your favorite part of the movie? Ehat do you see happening in Avengers Infinity World Part 1 and 2 coming in 2018 and 2019?

p.s I am going to team up with someone to write a long avengers fan fiction...need someone who knows the characters well (proper characterization, what they would or wouldn't do, etc.) doif you are interested, let me know :)

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I do love the movie. It did gave me quite the feels.
Ultron and Vision made it to my favourites list. Also, we get to see Wakanda as well. How awesome is that?

But honestly, I'd have to say that Whedon butchered the movie. Please do not throw spears at me. This is solely my unpopular opinion on Whedon and AoU.

First flaw: Natasha is considered a monster because she cannot have children. Also, that bar scene between Bruce and Nat during Ultron's first rage.

Second flaw: Steve was so certain to find Bucky in Cap 2. But he completely forgot about finding his best friend in AoU and left the job to Sam, to hang out with the Avengers. This is so not the Steve I used to know.

Flaw #3: Originally, the relationship between Natalia and Clint had already been planned, but Whedon was like meh. Note that Nat was wearing an arrow necklace the whole time in Cap 2.

Flaw #4: Scarlet Witch, one of the most powerful heroes alive needed a little pep talk by Hawkeye to unleash her power.

Actually there are more flaws. You can go find them in the #antiwhedon tag on Tumblr if you want to.

Comparing Whedon to the Russos, the Russos did an amazing job in portraying Natalia and other characters in Cap 2. It felt so natural and down to earth that I can literally feel the feels.

I am now looking forward to Civil War. Not only that the Russo bros are directing, but also the character portrayals are much more natural and equal.

(I am so happy that the Russos are taking over Infinity War movies as well ;w;.)

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I saw there is many flaws in the movie, but its a nice movie~

 

Also I say that Ultron is fabulous, now, excuse me...*hides*

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Joss why

I saw this post on Tumbler show a zoomed in picture of Scarlett Johansson's neck for Cap 3, and guess what she was wearing on her neck:

If you guess arrow neckless, wrong

If you saw the post I'm talking about, she is wearing a stone pendent, most likely symbolizing her past relationship with Bruce

 

 

 

 

I cried when I saw that ;n;

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Why. ;m;

(Did she threw away her arrow necklace from Cap 2? ;-;)

The Russo bros now have to continue what Whedon had started.
Don't get me wrong. Bruce and Nat are not my NOTP. But, they are not my OTP either.

I'd always thought that Bruce and Nat are like a BROTP. I've seen more chemistry between Nat and Clint on screen for five minutes than I've seen with Bruce and Nat in AoU.

It just feels so unnatural. ;m;

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It Better Work Out...

I hope that means she has not given up on him :( All the couple's on tv I like seem to not work out...

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I liked it.

I enjoyed it, generally speaking. It had its good points and bad ones. Before I start, I'll point out that I have not read the Marvel comics and therefore all I know about any of the characters is what I have taken from the movies. I guess I'm also a bit of a Whedonite having grown up with Buffy the Vampire Slayer when it was first on (yes, I'm that old), so I generally like the way he does things.

 

The action sequences were well done. They occasionally got silly, but this is a superhero movie so that's fine, and they didn't get tedious. I get bored pretty quickly during overlong action/fight sequences, and I never got bored. The plot was "meh" though. The whole "mankind's worst enemy is itself" thing has been done more neatly in an hour by Doctor Who. It felt like a mid-season episode of a TV series, where they are trying to push the plot forward but not by too much, and not give too much away about what's coming up. Especially after the now-pre-credits post-credits teaser. 

I enjoyed most of the character development, although I agree that a lot of the supposedly central characters got kind of left out. Whedon chose to concentrate on developing the characters that didn't have their own movie(s), for the most part, and relied on us knowing the prequels for the others. It made for an Avengers movie that wasn't quite about the Avengers, which was a bit weird, but I have a theory on this which I'll go into later.

Initially, the whole Banner/Black Widow thing seemed to come out of nowhere, a bit, but I came round to the idea in an "I guess that could work" kind of way (I thought they were setting her up with Hawkeye too). I didn't think she meant that she was a monster because she couldn't have children - I think when she called herself a monster she was referring to pretty much all of the rest of her pre-Shield/Avengers past, that "red ledger" that Loki referred to. I did think that making her cry over her inability to have kids was perhaps a bit of a cheap way of humanising her, but then again, the portrayal of childless women in the media is a bugbear of mine, and a lot of women who have the option of having kids taken away from them (as opposed to choosing to stay child-free) do in fact find it hard to deal with. She's not the most emotionally open character either, which is why pairing her with Banner is kind of interesting, since his superpower literally comes from being emotional :D

I actually liked the way Hawkeye sort of mentored Scarlet Witch - she was meant to be very young, after all; this was practically her origin story. I think most of us would freak out on finding ourselves in a situation like that for the first time. Plus it led to one of the best lines of the film :P I liked the development of Hawkeye overall, even if it did turn out to be one massive red herring. (Did ayone else go nuts every time Hawkeye mentioned DIY? Like, "NOOO!!! You're happily married in a Joss Wheedon script!!!! Do you know what that MEANS?") And no, I did not see that coming.  I guess he deserves the "Not as big a jerk as you could have been" award for that one, although I wouldn't say that in front of Scarlet Witch. :P

Turning JARVIS into Vision was an interesting move (although I think JARVIS was already one of everybody's favourite characters anyway, wasn't he? He was one of mine!). I wondered if they'd created a hero who was a bit overpowered, but that could be counterbalanced if they keep a sort of Data-like naievety about him.

As for predictions... They are getting to the point where they have a LOT of characters. Some of them might well be for the chop in the next few films. This is why I think this film focused on characters who don't have a movie already. You can't kill anyone who gets their name on their own franchise, but anyone else is fair game - and their deaths hurt a lot more if you know them. I wouldn't like to guess who, although Hawkeye now has a huge target on his forehead :P The whole point is that it's unpredictable, I suppose. I'm not saying I actually want anyone to die, but if they don't start killing them off or writing them out in other ways, they could end up with a huge mess like the third of the old X-Men films.

The only other franchise that is directly affected by this film is Iron Man, and it's the one I like the least, so I don't care much. It's lost one of its best characters, and I suppose the experience of creating a monster that nearly destroyed the world might stop Tony Stark being such an immature, arrogant idiot... I'm guessing not though :P The knock-on effects on any of the others should be minimal, really.

 

Anyway, that's enough rambling from me. What does everyone else think? :)

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I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post! Time for me to answer!

 

The whole "mankind's worst enemy is itself" thing has been done more neatly in an hour by Doctor Who. It felt like a mid-season episode of a TV series, where they are trying to push the plot forward but not by too much, and not give too much away about what's coming up. Especially after the now-pre-credits post-credits teaser. 

 

Agreed! It's one of the more popular themes! And its used once too often! I think its used often because, especially in this case, its extremely realistic!

 

I didn't think she meant that she was a monster because she couldn't have children - I think when she called herself a monster she was referring to pretty much all of the rest of her pre-Shield/Avengers past, that "red ledger" that Loki referred to. Idid think that making her cry over her inability to have kids was perhaps a bit of a cheap way of humanising her, but then again, the portrayal of childless women in the media is a bugbear of mine, and a lot of women who have the option of having kids taken away from them (as opposed to choosing to stay child-free) do in fact find it hard to deal with. She's not the most emotionally open character either, which is why pairing her with Banner is kind of interesting, since his superpower literally comes from being emotional :D

 

Agree again! However, a lot has happened since the last avengers movie. And comics do little to develop characters. So there must be some sort of development there we haven't seen...so like offscreen kinda thing ;)

 

LOVE THE BANNER, NATASHA THING! IF IT FALLS THROUGH I WILL hideIN A HOLE! LIKE WITH NCIS TONY AND ZIVA.......

 

too lazy to reply to the rest ;)