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So a long long while back I made a threat for my tier list of current available hybrids from the franchise and while that thread flopped completely I did mention that I might come back to discuss more in detail. But since the thread flopped and it’s been a long while ago I have no desire to dig it back up, then I figure hey I should make a new thread about it right on time when the new deathly Galeslash just released. 
 
So here’s the previous tier list as a reference and a general rules:
 
1. This is entirely my opinion, I’m not a professional concept artist or character design artist (although I did get to design stuff ) so what I say here isn't the be all, end all truth. I don’t want you to take this as that
 
2. Because this is my opinion and I might get emotional at time there might be some dragon that I’m going to completely unfaily ridicule and that dragon might be someone's favourite. This is not a personal attack to you if you like that dragon, it’s okay to like any dragon.
 
3. While this thread is for me to share my opinion. I also want it to be a discussion thread and i don’t want it to just revolve around me, it can open for other to discuss so come share your own thought on what you think make a good hybrid dragon as well
 
4. This is going to only tackle the design and not how compatible the dragon can breed
 
Ok, good? Now that that out of the way let’s start on what I think make a great hybrid design….in the next post because I’m a paranoid who may come back to edit stuff and sod forum wont allow that on the first post for some reason to, gonna be copy paste the second part down in a bit
 
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Before I start, I want to tell you my stand on the hybrids dragon and the franchise. Like any new concept introduced to httyd lore, from titan dragons to rise of berks exclusive dragons to even some of the rtte lore, I don’t really like that at the start. I think it’s breaking some sort of charm or established canon for the sake of cash or game mechanics. The hybrid is something so obviously game mechanic tied and even a non science-y person like me thinks it’s weird. But as time goes on I understand to appeal to it. And like anything I had problems with prior, I come to accept it. I mean I like making non canon hybrid designs or fan dragons so I definitely understand the appeal to it beside thinking about it this way the hybrid was first introduce it the canon via the nightlight and that’s probably what open a can of worm and make dreamworks goes ‘Okay now we can match up any dragons!’ It’s help that I’m not at all a sciency gal and what right and wrong completely fly above my head and at the end of the day I care more about the design. That’s probably what they thought too. If the design is good then it’s good no need to think about the technical and implication behind it. That being said currently there are hybrids that I dislike more than I do but compared to others I think I’m pretty chill with hybrids as a concept over all.

Now that’s out of the way here’s what I think make a great hybrid design

 

S-tier: Blend them enough to make them into their own thing, 

already sound very complicated, what does that mean exactly? Well basically you are not just going to slap dragon body parts together, you blend them, the overall body structure something new and unique and make it their own dragons, has a different silhouette. Something you never seen before, something you see and you might goes, well this could totally pass of as a different species instead of a hybrid

Example for hybrids that I thing fall into this is Boltstamper, the skrill/rumberhorn hybrid

The bulky beetle like-dragon on two hind legs isn’t something you’d see before and isn’t something that immediately scream a hybrids. Rumblehorn doesn’t has this body structure, skrill doesn’t have this body bulky structure unless it’s bulky. It’s something that can be pass off as a different species and actually look pretty similar to some of the concept art dragons

Does this dragon a perfect hybrids? Well no but it’s not on the design but on the animation. The dragon look like it have a breathing problem and struggles to hold the heavier top on the hind legs. It would be a very good commentary on the con of breeding genetic modified species like pug and such if it’s intentional

The other I think fit this well is a hushboggle, the whispering death and snow wraith hybrid

---but wait this doesn’t look unique! It looks like a nadder! Well if we take in the account that this is a whispering death/ snow wraith hybrid then yeah the overall body structure is shaped differently from the two species. Look at  snow wraith over all body structure, it’s not the same as hushboggle

And it isn’t screaming whispering death either. I made my friend look at the hushboggle and ask them what you think this is a hybrid of and they have more trouble to this than the boltstramper. Wait shouldn’t good hybrids tell you right away what this dragon is a hybrid of? Wellllll yeah to some but it’s not for me

The way that hushboggle came out looking similar to deadly nadder through unrelate is a good point to bring us to the next tier.

Tier 2; being lazy can actually be good?

Example for this tier: voltknapper(skrillnapper), dreadstrider and funnily enough, sod galeslash

What they have in common is that they retain one of the species design more than the other. Keeping most of one species design. At first this can come out as lazy hybrid design But in a weird way it’s actually sort of work for those that have more problem with the hybrid concept and make it more believable that they can exist as the variant of the existing species, A skrill that wear bone armor, a glowing flying speed stinger and a nadder with four wings and so on. For the record, I have quite conflict feeling on this tier, these are no where near my favourite hybrids and it’s the one easiest to accept for the reason I mentioned, it’s both lazy but acceptable. So over all they’re kind of sitting in this weird, ‘eh????’

 

For a reference, sod Galeslash and tu Galeslash look slightly different. The original one has more smashed head structure while sod is just nadder.

TU Galeslash too, is a good starting point into the next tier

Tier please don’t do; just slap dragons together

Ok so when the hybrids concept first being introduced and I loathe it, this is why. Basically a dragon that I see and know right away that it’s a hybrid dragon the three first hybrids that got release and immediately fall into this category are TU galeslash, Zipplejack and to some extend and anobibumble(but more on that later)

You look at it and goes “oh no….it’s just dragon a head on dragon b body!” and it’s so obviously a hybrids which again might be a preferable way to some but not to me. In defense of them however they at least do a little thing dragon in the s tier do, just not enough, TU galeslah has more smashed face of a stormcutter but over all it still look like a nadder with four wing, small slim head two headed dragon with jester like horn is something we never seen before either but in the end it’s still zippleback with different head. The one that got most of s-tier quality is abominable having a never before seen body shape of a slender lizard like dragon with bumps unfortunately the head and bumb is still a huge giveaway that it’s a nightmare/gronckle hybrid.

 

All this however can be thrown out of the window due to the next part

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Part2: APPEAL

It’s all come down to whether you personally like the design or not. Some dragons do things right but the end result is so not your cup of tea you hate the dragon. This part is going be very opinate unlike the first part, based entirely on my personally preference and you’re not gonna like most of the stuff I said here, I like it I don’t like it with no fact to back it up just to show that at the end of the day appeal is what matters XD

 

Example1 : Ridgesnipper (snafflefang/razorwhip hybrid)

To me this is the lazy design, just slapping razorwhip shiny scale on top of snafflefang and what come out is just those modular dragon drago used wearing dragon armor...but that description is actually my cup of tea, it appeals to me even if the design is so painfully lazy. It’s still not my favourite design tho

 

Example 2: Bonestormer(Stormcutter/boneknapper)

Bonestormer has a littler quality of a third tier and a lot quality of a s-tier. While it’s a fourwing dragon writing bone armor. The skinny bony bird head dragon is something that we haven’t seen before and it’s invoke a feeling that no dragon ever has, a creepy skinny bird skeleton because even boneknapper is the skeleton dragon it’s still bulky bony and dragon like but this is like evil bird and it’s good But it still hasn’t land on my top dragon simply because the design doesn’t appeal to me

 

Example 3: Humbanger (whispering death/snafflefang)

Another s-tier worthy. A dragon that look like a bouncing ball is something we never have before and it’s a perfect blend not a slap but it still looks weird and not appealing to me

And there’re a lot more that works in blending design but not appealing, or lazy design but is appealing like hoarbrumble, thunderbuttom etc. etc.

 

If I’m to make a graph it’d probably come out like this

 

 

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Okay now that wrap it up, what is your favourite hybrids? What do  you think make a good hybrids do you have the set rules like this? Please discuss

 
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Reference to all current hybrids:

Abomibumble

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Galeslash

Bonestormer

Boltstamper

Ridgesnipper

Dreadstrider

Zipplejack

Humbanger

Hushbogle

Voltknapper

Thunderbuttom

TBR hybrids(no full model to pick them apart unfortunately)

Deathburple

Slumberjack

Zipplewraith

 

 

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The dragons they picked as rewards for these events are all a little... Eh... Dragons. I would love to have a boneknapper/ stormcutter hybrid. Perhaps this Halloween we will get one, but I'm actually dreading Dreafalls return. Though I have come to love the dreadstrider the most. My least favourite of the hybrids is probably the Zippleback becuase Ive already forgot it existed and is just a bit boring... To me the Galeslash is just a nadder with some more wings

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It is true that many of us like certain designs but the truth is that some of them are poorly balanced.
Do not judge me for what I am going to say but the examples that I hate the most are the Galeslash, Night Lights, Ridgesnipper among others. But others with bad balance like the DreadStrider I like, I don't know why. Another one that I think is well done would be the Zapplejack, Abomibumble, Bonestormer ...
I don't know, but not only should the hybrid be balanced, it should be attractive. And since I am neither scientific nor logical, I agree that mixing because it may, maybe can't not be functional for the hybrid in certain aspects and things that help it survive. I hope to explain
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Sorry, the last part of your post is a little confusing for me to understand but for your earlier part that's my point exactly. It may matter a little on how well balanced the design is but when it comes down to it, appeal and preference play a large part in making what you like and dislike the designs

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Let's see if I can explain myself. A hybrid must have compatibility with the dragon that is used so that its abilities and health are optimal to be able to overcome the obstacles of life, because you cannot mix anything because its biology would not support it. I am not a scientist, intelligent or logical, so I don't know how to summarize it better.

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My opinions on each hybrid

I wouldn't normally reply, but this thread is very interesting and I have some unpopular opinions (I believe) about some hybrids.

First of all, I'm not that big fan of hybrids (except for the Night Lights, they make sense), but I'm not against them either. Personally, I don't care about whether two dragons are scientifically compatible or not. It's a film (and a tv series, and... you get the point). For kids. Yeah, I would be against a Bewilderbeast-Hobgobbler hybrid, because what the heck is that, poor Hobgobbler, but as long as the two dragon species are roughly the same size (sorry Night Terrors, I would love NT hybrids, but not a NT-Deadly Nadder one for example) I'm fine with it.

And also, a little bit of reminder, I'm not a concept artist, a science-y person (as you called yourself), these are all based on my personal opinion.

Now my opinion of each hybrid (I'll be rating them on a scale of ten):

Abomibumble: Uhh... I would say that this hybrid is a 3/10. Sorry, dragon, but you look very weird. Even though it contains elements from both parent dragons, it just looks weird to me. It doesn't appeals to me either. Not the worst hybrid, but one of those which I'd be glad to never see in SoD. (Again, sorry, dragon.)

Hoarsbrumble: Woah, this is a pretty good hybrid! I'd say... 7/10! What makes it only 7 for me is that it's body shape is weird, doesn't look like a Thunderdrum or a Typhoomerang for me, I find it's head a little too big (compared to the parents), and it lacks Typhoomerang-ish elements. (Remember, this is just my opinion.) but it has that appeal, hope it will be added to SoD one day.

Galeslash: This is a hard one... The Titan Uprising Deathly Galeslash is a 7/10 for me, the SoD one is... 6/10. What many people have pointed out is that it has too few Stormcutter in it, and is rather a Nadder with wings. I'm one of those few who like the TU Galeslash better, it's more colourful, and has more Stormcutter. The appeal, on the other hand... I may not be satisfied with the design, but this dragon immediately stole my heart. It's such an adorable little dragon! And the Deadly Nadder spots on the bottom of their wings in SoD... That detail is... aaa, I love it. The Galeslash is not my favourite hybrid, but one I love a lot.

Bonestormer: I don't have a lot to say about this one. 8/10. I want one in SoD! Bud maybe they could make it's head slightly smaller. That would make this hybrid a little bit more apealing to me. But it's an epic dragon, I like it!

Boltstamper: I agree with what you said about this dragon , I don't want to add anything. 9/10. 

Ridgesnipper: As you said, it's a lazy design, but it somehow has appeal to me. 6/10. 

Dreadstrider: Nope. Lazy design, doesn't really have appeal, and the fact that you can't colour it in SoD... But it is still better than the Abomibumble. 4/10. 

Zapplejack: First I didn't like it much, but when I got my boy, Carrot and Broccoli... I LOVE IT, I LOVE IT, I LOVE IT! I think it's well balanced (mine is coloured brownish, which really brings out the Timberjack), and it's certainly appealing to me, 10/10. (Yes, I know, very unpopular opinion.) He is one of my main dragons. <3

Humbanger: What the heck is this? 2/10. Sorry. The baby looks cute, though. 

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Hushbogle: Suh a cool hybrid! 9/10. (9 for the weird body shape.) I love WDs. ^^

Voltknapper/Skrillknapper: As you said, it's a lazy hybrid, but it has that appeal. I'm very disappointed by it's SoD stats though. 7/10.

Thunderbottom: I like this hybrid a lot, I think it's well balanced. It has an appeal and is adorable. 8/10. 8 because it's body looks very stiff to me, but overall, it's fine.

Last but not least...

Night Light: 11/10. Because... Night Light! Has an adorable design, is well balanced, makes sense scientifically, has an appeal... I don't have to explain it. Definetely one of my favourite dragons in the entire franchise.

 

You thought I was done? Now the 'only head' hybrids! (I'm rating only their heads.)

Deathburple: 8/10. The head looks adorable and well-balanced, though it took me a while t figure out what was the Death part. I hope they don't mess up the rest of the body.

Slumberjack: 8/10. The head looks fine, but isn't that much appealing... can't really explain it, that's how I feel.

Zipplewraith: I googled it and I wow-ed. It's the most epic looking hybrid I have ever seen! I can't wait till we get a glimpse of what it's whole body looks like! 10/10.

 

So yeah, that was my opinion of each hybrid. Now I will go and read a book, I typed so much. XD

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I really enjoy reading your thought on each of the dragons. I think we have similar rating system and do rate dragon based on balace and appeal similarly. Balance is probably a better word to use than blend now that you've mentioned it

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Ah yes, I meant that picture! I just copied and pasted the image in the message, not the proper place (that little box), so it didn't show up. And I wanted to make a Nickleback 'Look at this photograph' meme but with the picture of the baby, but I forgot. I'm such an idiot. XD

 

 

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personally,  I think that hybrid dragons are 90% fan service

 

Dragons aren't like dogs. Not every species is compatible to breed. If they were going to introduce hybrids, I would be much more happy of they kept it within dragons that are already similar (example: night lights. Although I also hate them because of how widely inaccurate their genetics work. Like, if my mom has light blonde hair and my dad has black hair, my hair is not going to be cows spots colours. I would either get the gene to have blonde hair or blackhair. Or even brown, seeing as black hair is a variant of the brunette gene. I mean, what?? The whole idea of Toothless getting with a white Nightfury and making oreo babies has been in the famdom for YEARS and to actually produce in in the third movie is such a blatantly low level of fan service, i feel like they were kissing up to us. It's kinda sad, really. But that is a topic for another day, why I hate the Lightfury)

Another species I would see as compatible might be the Sand Wraith and Nightfury given the similarity of their bone structures, I'd be surprised if they did not share a recent common ancestor

Id even accept Skrill and Nightfury. Because I am pretty sure that the Skrill used to be in the fury family, which points to how similar it and Night Furies must be.

 

But Boneknapper and Skrill? Or Speedstinger and Flightmare? They definitely are not compatible.  Like at all. 

But I do not mind them too much nor do I think that the Hybrids are ruining the fandom. They just are their scientifically impossible little anonomlies that they are. And most of them aren't even canon. So I don't mind too much.

Unlike the Nightlights.

Ugh. Basically the whole third movie was a bust. And if you want to know why, here is a an article that reflects  opinions perfectly 

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Like I said, I'm more of an artsy person than a sciene person and that's why those stuff fly over my head (it's maybe not at first tho..,i don't know I forgot my exact initial reaction when this concept was first introduce other than didn't like it) but this explain and anwser the question of what you think make a good design for you, that would be the compatibility of the parents.

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It's basic mendelian genetics.

 

If I had a black dragon, and a white dragon. And they had babies, the coloration of their babies will depend on the colours that their parents give them. And certain colours are "dominant" colours which basically means that they are more likely to show up (for example, you see a lot more brown-eyes humans than pretty much any other eye colour. That is because the trait for brown eyes is dominant. So if one of your parents has brown eyes, it is very likely that you will as well). 

In other words, the babies of these dragons would either be black or white depending on which colour is more dominant. Not grey and certainly not both (the only exception I can think of is if a skin colour defect causes splotching but that is incredibly rare and the likelihood that all three babies would have this is incredibly slim). 

 

And yeah. Basically the compatibility is what makes a good dragon hybrid. But also being realistic about it. It is entirely possible that the Nightlights, for example, are infertile (like mules. When horses and donkey's breed). But it is also possible that certain hybrids may have sevre issues with genetic diseases and not be fully devloped (like with the liger. When Lions and tigers are bred). Meddling in these sorts of things is more often than not, extremely detrimental to the animal in question. 

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The whole cross-order splicing does bother me too. Some dragons have a completely different chemical structure than some others which makes it impossible for the two species to breed (Try to compare the reptilian Flame Whipper to a mammalian Woolly Howl). But there is one thing I disagree with that can hopefully soothe something that bothers you about the Night Lights.

 

Codominance (Co-Dominance) is when animals with both dominant traits intersect, and gives the offspring both colors. The Light Fury's dominant color is white (WW), while the Night Fury's dominant color is Black (BB). When both these traits come together, both are expressed.

In a Night Light, it can exist as a black and white color splotches (WB; BW):

 

 

Or black and white bicolor:

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Another good example of that is some rose types. Also, humans have a totally unnessiarilly large amount of skin color genes that interact with each other to get the end result. Genetics are weird. I had a biology teacher who when discribing both the dominant and recessive relationships compared to things like this said "Genes don't mix....exept when they do." refering to how a lot of cases result in a more common knowlage one or the other situation while others have this happen. 

I wish I knew more about this stuff but it really is a little h.ard to keep track of. Hopefully I will know more some day because it's facinating.

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I didn't mention co-dominance for one reason only.

I likened the colour of a Nightfury to be something that is a constant. Like they need that black colour to survive as part of their lifestyle (hunting at night). The same applies to the light fury. Especially if she is more aquatic as her design suggestions. That white color would make her excellent for fishing because the fish would mistake her scales for the gleam of the water's surface (think spirit bear). So I figured that their coat colors would be more similar to that of say, polar bears.
Animals like birds (the primary examples you have given) often do not have a set feather colour that expands the entirety of their species. Chickens alone come on a variety of patterns and colours.

So if we go back to our bear example. If a polar bear and say a brown bear have a baby the resulting animal (prizzly) is usually a slighter tanner white bear but it is NOT spotted brown and white

I am not entirely sure but I feel like when an entire species is universally only one colour (mutations aside), co-dominance isnt something to consider

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Don't both lightfurys and nightfurys have markings that show up under spesific lighting (not just the hidden world but when normal daylight hits them right Toothless has spots and the lightfury we've seen up close has swirls)? And haven't we only seen a few examples of both species with the nightfury only having one specimine we've seen and the lightfury having three?

 

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Yeah but their markings are more like stripes and dots than cow spots

And again, just based on the way they hunt. I think the most variation a night fury would have is some white specks (maybe) under their wings to emulate the stars

A colorful Nightfury would be a dead Nightfury really quickly given that they hunt at night and rely on stealth

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An animal mostly looking one color doesn't imply gene simplicity. It's very easy for tough selection pressure to have held them a spesific way while they may have way more genes then nessisary that haven't been dropped yet. Having unnessisary genes is very common in the world. Really the only way to know what type of gene a gene is, is to observe it's behavour when it reproduces and interacts with other genes.

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The offspring colors can still be something that can come to their advantage. Many species of wild cats have a golden color with black spots (or stripes) despite living in mostly green environments (rainforests). The golden color is for blending in the sunlight while the spots are for blending into the shade.Night Lights can have something similar where they can blend into the clouds (or stars) easier.

If the Night Light was gray (incomplete dominance), that'll be different. They can still blend into clouds, but doesn't quite have the black color to blend into the dark sky, nor have the white scales to reflect light very well. It'll be more of an inconvenience to be gray than black and white. They'll have to change their hunting habits (become more wolf-like) to adapt.

Although, that doesn't mean I loathe the idea of a gray night light. Not at all. I'm actually inspired to make one. A few creative choises wouldn't hurt :P

(Black leopards bend in at night, similar to the night fury, while standard (golden) leopards blend in with the sunlight. Felt like I needed to add that in somewhere to assure that I am aware of this fact)

 

 

 

And I feel like I should add, I did sound a bit snippy and I apologise profusely. I'm at my uncle's house in the other side of America and my father is very insistant of doing family activities despite me being an introvert. I didn't have time to read through my post, fact check, and polish it to make it sound nicer. Heavy time constraint there.

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Nah. I think it's more likely Toothless and his lightfury girlfriend just messed their kids up. Not all hybridizations have results that are all good. I think it's very likely that the nightlights will end up using their big high inteligence brains to figure out a different survival stratigy then their parents if they survive (and they are rather powerful dragons so they might). I wouldn't doubt it if their behavour becomes very different from their stealthy parents thanks to their lack of camo. (Though they might be helped some if any enherited the light fury's weird invisible scale trick)

I don't think that stark difference of white and black can blend into much. I agree that a grey one would be interesting. That one would probubly take after the nightfury as grey works fine for dark camoflaush.

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In my honest opinion, I only know dragons from the first movie (and maybe the most well-known ones from the second).

So at this point I pretty much see hybrids as a "new" dragon. Because idk that many dragons, and I'll just be surprised that it's a hybrid of a certain dragon species x'D

 

 

Truth be told even if hybrid dragons are "fanservice", I always like mixing up creatures to see something new come out. 

Like, literally I have a roleplaying partner who has a faun OC, while mine is a mermaid-octopus OC.

We made a pretty interesting baby from this weird ship.

 

I guess it's the same concept as Steven Universe Gem Fusion. It's the result from the combination of two different people or creatures is what makes it fun. (Of course, I'm kinda against this concept when you actually force people together, or force animals of different species but same genus into breeding. Though if we're talking about "extinction" and "saving the species"... It's a complicated issue, let's not talk about it X'D)

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As someone who has in the past really disliked HTTYD hybrids for biology reasons.....the hybrids actually aren't the problum. Evolution is. Like, HTTYD biology is super messed up. If these dragons existed there are parts of them that would actually be evidence against evolution for these species or at least evidence for some other power genetically altering creatures. That's without considering hybrids by the way. That's just looking at the pre-hybrid species highly variable limb numbers and placements.

I can go into a lot more detail what I mean by that if asked but for now I'll try not to bore the uninterested.

Rating hybrids based on art stuff is probubly a wise choice. Trying to pull apart the evolutionary mess that is evolution in HTTYD might be kind of fun but it also would be less a critisism of hybrids and more just....the dragons in general. It would turn into a nitpick for the sake of nitpick thread.

HTTYD was deffinitly a franchise built on just trying to stretch the idea of what a dragon could be, not something that tried to hold itself to evolutionary rules (Despite randomly referencing them like in the speed stinger episode and putting an arrow on the issue for...some reason).

Going off art is probubly better for staying on a spesific dragon type given that.

Though...I unfortunatly don't understand art rules. To me it looks good if you like it and that's it. I'm very simple when it comes to art so my only point in being on this thread is saying it's probubly a good way to do a thread like this.

 

 

 

(I actually still am not a huge fan of the hybrids because for some reason this franchise continues to try to do science while at the same time doing this stuff and it's weird to me but I can at least appricate them as interesting dragons)

 

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Well YEAH, what makes dragons so amazing is that they're dragons.

I would agree, that some dragon designs kinda makes me go "this dragon literally would not survive with appendages like that" (For example, my issue with Stormcutters is that their wings are too close to each other, and you'd risk getting some contact injuries if their adjacent wings ever collide with one another)

 

If you keep nitpicking about everything with dragons, you'd just end up getting frustrated over nothing. Just enjoy dragons because they're dragons~

 

I guess overall, we should just balance science with art when it comes to dragons. Don't lean too much to science where you'd just be dissatisfied with the dragon, but don't sway towards aestheticness where your dragon wouldn't make sense. (Let's say an aquatic dragon who spends most of its time in water has feathers from a non-aquatic bird)

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Let's be clear though. SOD talking about evolution using HTTYD was silly. The race to the edge speed stinger episode where they talked about evolution in the speed stingers was also kind of silly. (Not nessisarilly bad just...silly) There are universes where the evolution conversation makes a little more sense. HTTYD has a dragon with a meat grinder for a mouth and the fact that a fireworm queen with its multitude of legs is supposedly more closely related to other dragons then it is to a regular lizard or even something as clearly distant as a mammel....is silly.

The leg stuff in particular is really silly. In vertibrates limbs are very complicated things. There's a reason all real known land vertibrates have four or less limbs with the exeption of a few individuals who have a partly absorbed twin or a defet that results in extra limbs that aren't or are barely functional. There isn't a "how many limbs does this have" gene. What you end up with is set by a bunch of different ones working together and each limb is supported by a bunch of muccles connecting it to the body that might conflict if you try to randomly add another set of limbs nillywilly. Because of this it is much easyer to loose a set of limbs then to gain them after a vertibrate's limb number has been established.

The leg stuff messes everything up all by itself when you start looking at HTTYD dragons trying to figure out who might be closer related to who. (Which is a main issue for people who have biology related issues with hybrids)

This is a really bad franchise to use as a teaching tool for evolution. You COULD do it but it will get a little crazy very fast the moment you try to go into detail. Like, if I was looking at this evolutionarilly I would say that (baring a being strait up making these dragons as they are as a possibility) there had to have been at least two more cases of fish making it onto land alongside the one that gave rise to our known vertibrates. One was a hexapod that eventually lead to the six limbed (four legs two wings) dragons and one was basically a centipede of the fish world later resulting in stuff like the fireworm queen and the thunderpede (Both of which seem to have their limbs connected in a different way from other dragons as well as having more limbs).

The hexapod one may have also lead to the wyverns and wingy serpent style dragons by loosing a leg or two or that one may have come from yet another branch or they may even have come from the dinosaurs....somehow. And all of them for some crazy convergent evolution reason ended up with similar traits but a lot of all these groups have entirely different components to their breath weapons too and....it's a mess.

See what I mean now?

Another option is that dragon genetics don't work like every other creature on earth in which case I would argue they are a bad teaching tool. Teaching tools don't have to be exactly the same as the real thing but if too much is different the benifit of symplification is overshadowed by how much wrong there is. Back to the point this also complicates any argument over which hybrids are better then others on these terms. It pretty much makes it impossible to objectivly say "This hybrid shouldn't exist because these two dragons couldn't b.reed.".

 

Some things just don't need explanation and are better if they are not explained. I'm not saying that all logic should be thrown out the window and we should have stuff like what you discribed as a bad logic example but the HTTYD series has had a weird history of trying to pretend it's grounded in reality when biologywise it's really not. It's more grounded then some in some ways but deffinitly not evolutionary biology. There are some aspects of biology it does tribute but...not evolution.

(And I realize that SOD trys to be educational but one of my examples came from the show so point still stands. This franchise has a weird relationship with biology. Note I am not saying this is a bad series because of this eather. I love this series. This is just not it's strong point and I don't think it was intended to be. While in the past I did not like hybrids and still have some issues with them I have kind of come to think of them as HTTYD doing what HTTYD does best. Stretching the idea of what a dragon could be. Aquiring new ideas of what a dragon could be is without a doubt one of HTTYD's best attributes both in the books and in the movie/show series.)

 

P.S. I didn't make this wall of text because I'm mad. I just really love deconstructing things. I actually had fun with this post and I hope it's not intimidating.