Was anyone else disappointed with the nightlights’ design?

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Ween I watched the movie I was kinda disappointed with how the nightlights looked. Not their shape, they were obviously adorable. But the colouration.

they feel too simple to me. I mean, as we all know Toothless has very interesting and unique puttering, with all of his stripes. And if you look closely at the light fury, she has similar stripes, but she also has cool tones mixed in with the white, like purple and blue. But with the night lights, they seem too much like mittens the cat. I mean, obviously it’s a cat-like dragon, but the designs just feel lazily thought out, boring and simple. Maybe it’s  just preference. But I feel they could’ve gone with something a lot more interesting utilizing those faint stripes, mixing in the white and the cool tones.

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Well as you said, they are cat like dragons, so I feel it would be obvious they would choose with a type of style that resembles black and white cats like 



The white night light does show a hint of the same blue hue on the belly like the light fury, but it could always be because they are still just babies as to why they don't have any stripes like Toothless once had in the first movie (I do miss those, shame they gone away) and the Light Fury's hidden ones. 

Like baby monstrous nightmares don't quite have their stripes either 


Heck all the babies in the series shown as less in that detail department if you think about it


The baby zippleback having less squirly dots along it



The deadly nadder having less color than the adult and is mostly just one solid color


The baby gronkle doesn't have those numerous colored dots on it like the adults


Otherwise to me the Night Light feel like exactly what a baby fury would look like 


In my personal opinion, I really love how cat like they look with those colors, especially being a cat owner and everything. They're so cute! My personal favorite is the middle one with the blue eyes and lil white nose boop <3

lil one reminds me of my own cat's mom 



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Their heads are disproportionate to their bodies and legs. They feel too chibi to me. They don't feel like a dragon. They feel like toys or stuffed animals... and I dont think they are that cute. I know how to train your Dragon babies are a bit chibi but none are this bad. They don't feel real to me.


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I know you said you don't to feel it with the other babies, but maybe it's because we already knew how they would grow to look? Like the baby gronkle feels more chibbier to me lol 

Titan's Uprising confirmed overall basically all fury dragons look like this chibi form with Toothless and the Light Fury too:

Just feels like judging this dragon alone by how it looks as a baby feels little unfair to me, sorry. 

If you don't like them though, you don't. I don't want to seem like I despise anyone who disagrees with me ^^' 

I do hope we possibly see more of them more grown up to help people like them more, although unlikely from being the last movie, anything little would be nice, until then, there are always a lot of fanart to look at to make them look better for others I suppose.

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oh man that pink eyeliner on

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yeah, i am. that kind of

yeah, i am. that kind of patterning shouldn't be possible unless similar markings were already in the night fury and/or light fury genepool. they'd be one colour- with how they're designed, it'd be like a human having blond hair on half their head and brown hair on the other half. it'd be more reasonable had they been the results of generations' worth of domestication, but they aren't. i don't think they really considered how genetics actually works though, and wanted to make it obvious they were hybrids. ech. there were a lot of things i had issues with in this movie oof

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Markings I'm willing to look

Markings I'm willing to look past since we can make the excuse of they're babies and maybe will develop them further as they grow and shed, but hope y'all dont mind if I uuuhhhhh


Make the head and eyes smaller, thinner legs, longer and thinner tail, smaller fins, slimmer ears, larger/more prominent nose, chubbier belly.


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Words cannot explain how much I hate that render of the 3 of them playing. The third one provokes visceral monkey rage from within the depths of my primate brain. It looks absolutely horrifying. The second one is cute, the first one looks like a unfortunate splice between a dragon and a human.


That aside, I dislike their designs, yes. They remind me of low-quality deviantart fan characters. It's the colouring, which gives me this heavy 2008 dA era vibes. All child fan characters used to look like this.


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Personally..... I’m really iffy about it... I don’t hate ‘em but I don’t find anything really likeable about them either... I don’t even mind the chibi design, though I think they look very Funko Pop-like in that render.... Especially that third one.


I do think it would’ve been super cool to see some more “blending”, if you will, in them. A common trope with a ton of fanchildren from ANY fandom is that they’re very (or entirely) one or the other in terms of their looks and what they inherited. I think more diversity would liven them up greatly. I found this picture of a cat—

— and THIS would look so much more appealing and unique than just the “one main, one accent” color all three of them have. In addition, this may be just a personal thing, but the fact that the Light Fury is another “Fury” cuts off from so much creative possibilities.... Yeah, I know biologically, cats to cats, dogs to dogs, fish to fish and so on, and that it’s also usually specifically limited to individual species within the bigger groups, I think it would’ve been so much more fun to see “Night Nadders” or some other kind of exotic hybrid. The near total lack of any kind of diversity between Toothless and the Light Fury means the kids may inevitably end up very one-sided, but at the same time, the same altogether, if that makes any sense. (Heck all of them, kids and parents, look so alike that I can’t tell what breed the kids are, Light or Night... or both... We just assume because of something super minor like the shapes of their ears or tail or something, when we could very well have a white “Night Fury” or a black “Light Fury”, or an actual genuine hybrid. Maybe it was stated somewhere what they all are, I don’t know.) Now with hybrids, there is SO MUCH more you’d be able to customize and refine, and not just physical traits. In the end... They’re alright, I suppose...


*edit*  Oh yeah, there actually are canon hybrids, and they’re so much cooler than the Night Lights. Brooding Boltstampers, Hoshbogles, Abomibumbles, and Ghastly Zapplejacks to name a few. 

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Agreed! Even though the Night Light designs are cute, that's all they are in the end. Cute. I was expecting something new, something unique.
I found a piece of art of Toothless and the Light Fury with what I'm assuming is what the artist wanted the hybrid babies to look like, although this is just one baby.

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Now, if you look closely you can see the baby is a perfect hybrid of its parents.
The body is a dark grey, almost black, while the wings are grey but white at the edges. The baby even has little double nubs on one "ear" on its face! The eyes are also a mix between green and blue, instead of heterochromatic as most people like to draw.
So yeah, an artist who doesn't work for a big film company (I'm assuming?) is better at designs than the designers of said big film company.
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Ahhh dude, I love that li'l guy!!! :D  That art is amazing but I love the way they did the baby!


It's not so much that they're better at designs, I think, so much as it is that fans may care a lot more about the designs? Like, this is just speculation, but just looking at the designs, my immediate thought as to what was going through the designers' minds when asked to design the babies was this: "Aight, just pick some random traits of th' parents, slap 'em together on a baby, make it small 'n' cute, an' done." (ok this is very sarcastic, but you get the idea)


I feel like the fans would have a lot more drive to be more creative with what they did instead of literally just throwing the two of them into a pot and pulling something out... xP

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The genes that control skin are ridiculously complicated to an unnecessary degree so all sorts of half mixes are possible on body coloration but the genes that control eye color generally don't work the way the artist showed. Unless a weird genetic condition shows up generally a baby will have one of its parent's eye colors or it will have an eye color the parents were secretly carrying on a recessive gene they didn't outwardly display but that some of their relatives might. Eye color doesn't usually work like mixing paint colors. Now, this doesn't mean that isn't a pretty picture cuz it is but the eyes of the cannon night lights were the most likely situation to happen even if their bodys are a little weird. (I personally don't have many issues with the night lights though I will agree with some who said they DO look a little domesticated rather then like wild creatures)




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I honestly don't have any sort of problems with the Nightlights. I love them to death. I like Fluffy's explanation as to why they're missing details. Her comparisons of other dragons show that as they grow they get more details so the same will most likely happen with the Nightlights. I know a lot of people think they were designed just to be cute but that's to be expected. Toothless is one of the most popular dragons in the franchise and his design is very cute. He's like a big puppy and a cat all in one. The Light Fury looks like very similar to him so it's to be expected that the design of the babies would bring the cuteness factor into play. The fact that the Furies are based on cats also ensured that the Nightlights would be designed with cuteness in mind because kittens are adorable.


Edit: I also wanted to point out that I think Fluffy's right when she said that they chose a style for the Nightlights that resembled black and white cats. Compare the pictures she posted of black and white cats to the picture of the Nightlights. There's a remarkable resemblance there.

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personally, i have no quarrel with the actual nightlight designs. they look plain, but considering i didnt expect their appearance at all in the film, i would not have liked anything overtly extravangant. 

i agree their proportions are a little off. but in terms of comparing that to the light fury herself, maybe things will make a little more sense? 

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the light fury herself has a head that is obviously much larger than her feet. though this isnt the case for toothless, its possible the babies have carried that much of her general anatomy at least. it still looks dumb on a dragon that small, though. 


and, in terms of colour, the white baby visibly has pale blue socks and a blue underbelly. they are not just black and white.


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Nightlights are the worst

Yup. Not a fan either. The third one is the one I dislike especially it's expression. (the middle one is my favorite)

I honestly think it's better if they didn't have babies at all. Also the species name Nightlight is ridiculous. 

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I agree with the side note, like no shade to the light fury at all but I wanted to see some other night fury designs. It's taking me a long time to warm up to her.....


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Yeah it took me some time too.

I really wish this had been a scene in the movie. (reuniting with family) :)

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I'd like her more if we got to see more of her personality or some development of her character. She was just a random love interest.  


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Gimme all the nightlights

I personally think that they're all adorable, I especially love the white one with her teal eyes. But yes they aren't as detailed as the adults but that's because they're young, like some animals theres designs that don't appear until they're older, like I think some big cat's (can't think of which ones specifically) designs aren't shown as clearly until they're old enough. So I bet that they haven't shed enough scales to show they're designs. But I find the mixture of black and white adorable and cat like, but I would of liked some gray blotches in there as well. Hopefully if they do make that rumored new series involving them they'll add more details, but they were shown for like 4 minutes so nobody was going to know untill the pics came out.


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1.JellyBean: Light Fury (don't ask me why cause I don't know)

2.Carl: DeathGripper ("woah he looks vicious Im gonna name him Carl!" -Adam Davenport)

3.Buffy: Buffalord

4. Scourge: Crimson Goregutter

5: Sol: Flightmare #2


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kpribbit's picture
Viking Warrior
Joined: 02/18/2015

TBH I'm okay with their anatomy and whatnot, but what gets me is the pattern/coloration. In nature when you breed, say, a brown horse and a black horse you aren't gonna get a brown and black spotted foal. I feel like they were a little lazy on how to mix the night and light furies, but hey at least they gave us a fusion. And my favorite is the white one, because it's the most natural-looking

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Supreme Viking Champion
Joined: 11/06/2016
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Err. . .they're cute. The white one's head doesn't look like it belongs to his/her body though and is overall my least favorite; it looks like they took Toothless' head, painted a majority of it white, and stuck it onto the body. That's primarily just the pose though. . .that render overall isn't really that great, the only one who looks really good is the one with blue eyes. I do like their patterns though; both the Light Fury and Toothless are based off of cats so it's no surprise their kids look like Tuxedo cats (well, I'm not sure about the white one. . .)


. . .this is never gonna get done. Enjoy!


Aliases: Kas or Kasane

Main Dragon: Papa Moon the Titan Stormcutter

Favorite Dragon Breed: Stormcutter

Other Favorites (in no particular order): Buffalord, Snow Wraith, Skrill, Prickleboggle, Triple Stryke, Woolly Howl, Thunderdrum

Favorite Dragon Classes: Stoker, Strike, and Sharp (hehe, they all start with 's')


Information about my dragons can all be found here!: My Grand Dragon Family


To Be Acquired/Coming Soon (Color Key: Red = IncubatingBlue = StorageGold = TBA)

  • Unnamed Male Baby Triple Stryke
  • Unnamed Female Dramillion
  • Unammed Terrible Terror
  • Unnamed Male Speed Stinger
  • Unnamed Stormcutter (I'm almost always gonna want another Stormcutter)


Information about my HTTYD OCs and their dragons can all be found here: My OCs and Their Dragons


Somehow interested in my opinion on dragons? I made a Dragon Review Here: My Dragon Review


Itching for a request or two? Maybe even 3? I have some art threads open!


Interested in Shiny Hunting? I've made a whole thread dedicated to it here!


Dragon Gallery!


Probably my most favorite screenshot that I ever took of Papa. <3


Just another flight with the big guy himself!


My first School of Dragons GIF. . .dedicated to Papa. Sounds about right!


"How are you all holding up over there?"


Zzzzzzz. . .


"eme [this is a face by the way] Is this where you've been this whole time?" (He came swimming up to me while I was at the Training Grounds)


As much as I love the big guy, it's fun to occasionally spite him. ewe Made/edited by SilverNight!



Drago once said the strength of will over others is true strength. . .and Hiccup says friendship is true strength. . .but they're both wrong. Cuteness is the one and only true strength! These faces will be the death of evil, I'm telling you. Made all by Zitka!


Happy wife, happy life. Made by Snowflake12298!



Raito and Doctor Alex, both drawn by me!


A truly fuzzy Moon made/edited by HoneyCloudy!


Yikes! Ezra looks angry! Made by AndreaEaston!


Sorry Dagur but I don't think the General agress with that "clever as a Skrill" statement. . .



. . .it's a bit difficult watching for danger when you can't get near the telescope.


He checked on the gigantic Hobblegrunt babies a billion times before finally moving forward. -_- Those Hobblegrunt parents were NOT happy.


The main character for my story made into a beautiful Snowy Griffin. Made by LissaFish!


Sometimes Papa's ego becomes as big as Jupiter. . .screenshot edited by Zeezur!


A cute Papa headshot made by HoneyCloudy!



I've expanded the army! NYEHEHEEEEEE!!! Made by Zikta!


A very happy General Moonlight. . .or angry. No one can say for sure.


Papa no, don't--aaannd it's too late.

snowflake12298's picture
Supreme Viking Champion
Joined: 12/23/2013
*wheeze* Light Furies are definitely something.... XD

You guys should try googling Light Fury plushie. They're an absolute riot. XD


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Windigs's picture
Joined: 04/10/2019

Honestly I'm mixed on them, I feel they are cute yes but like there are so many different options for them if they really wanted crosses there are some subtle regions they could of gone with on toothless and slightly different regions on L. The spine would be awesome and both are shown to have subtle stripes (imo they should have kept toothless stripes) They could have striped them with white, grey and black (Slightly faded) and then either made them whit or black. The white one who had taken after toothless should probably have followed toothless' regions being the black and stripes (and the occasional darker patch) she could have been white with dark grey stripes and slightly darker patches (almost insignificant patches). The ones that took after L could have been so much more creative! They had larger regions to experiment with being the light blue areas (Under wing) the tiniest tips of the ear and the faint stripes as well as the main body. They could have looked beautiful if done right.


Hi, just started on this forum so I'll right basic details and add onto it later!

Basic Info

Player name: agnustheintelligent

Nickname: I don't know at the moment just nothing to do with my player name.

Basic info: I've been a long time player on various different accounts. I love the game but general have trouble consitently logging on.

(That's it for now)


Context for any posts and or information for my currently unnamed character.

So I created a role known as an egg hunter now these people hunt for the school of dragons, these eggs tend to be sourced in areas with higher densities of that species of dragon, however most go to this job in order to rescue young dragons and eggs in dire need. 

So my character decided to go into this career as she wanted to rescue eggs in need like many others, she also wanted to travel far and wide with the help of a partner so at the age of 15 she registered for a place at the school of dragons. However when she got there she was hisked immediately into a dire situation where she met stunner a Stunning sea shocker of whom helped her stand on her feet in the world of dragons. Later that same day she decided to raise a nadder, and with that young Strikestorm came into her life. After much training Strikestorm  learnt  to fly and off they went.

     After much hunting they stumbled up on an icy looking gronckle of whon led them to icestorm island, at this point in time they are assisting with the school expansion on icestorm but hope to be on their way soon.

     For now that is enough, more will be added in time.


Now for the exciting bit my dragons! In order of rescue/birth.



Species: Shockjaw

Age: 20

Dofr: 31/12/17

Stage: Adult



Species: Nadder

Age: 4

Dofb: 31/12/17

Stage: Adult









NeverendingSilverstorm's picture
Supreme Viking Champion
Joined: 03/10/2017

Eh, I could get over the colouration/pattern. As Fluffy said, we don't know what they would look like as adults. To me, the biggest issue with them is the fact that they seem to be too cramped. Like, I get it that they are still babies, but maybe a slightly longer body and tail would have done some good for them.


Main Dragon:

Clover-Prickleboggle (female)

Racing Dragons:

Luna-Flightmare (female)

Solaris-Titan Flightmare (male)

Sirius-Sand Wraith (male)

Dusk-Scuttleclaw (female)

Berry-Sand Wraith (male)

Dawnlight-Sand Wraith (female)

Other Dragons:

BlueJay-Titan Deadly Nadder (female)

Freyja-Deadly Nadder (female)

Gaia-Whispering Death (female)

Ember-Monstrous Nightmare (female)

Souran-Monstrous Nightmare (male)

Iris-Titan Stormcutter (female)

Lily-Scauldron (female)

Vulture-Scauldron (male)

Flare-Skrill (male)

Heilagr-Titan Skrill (female)

Nightingale-Night Terror (female)

Breeze and Burst-Titan Hideous Zippleback (female)

Dayspring-Tide Glider (female)

Phantom-Titan Boneknapper (male)

Felix-Titan Sand Wraith (male)

Theo-Sand Wraith (male)

Blackheart-Snow Wraith (male)

Cyclone-Thunderdrum (male)

Nevermore-Smothering Smokebreath (male)

Cosmos-Titan Gronckle (male)

Stormbane-Woolly Howl (male)

Thunder-Titan Woolly Howl (female)

Selene-Speed Stinger (female)

Snowdrop-Groncicle (female)

Ziggy-Flame Whipper (female)

Icarus-Silver Phantom (male)

Fang-Screaming Death (male)

Forest-Changewing (male)

Totem-Triple Stryke (female)

Asger-Triple Stryke (male)

Sly-Shivertooth (male)

Ake-Timberjack (male)

Puddle-Raincutter (male)

Mercury-Fireworm Queen (female)

Bastion-Sentinel (male)


Art requests:


Thunder made by Wutend Bonfire


Stormbane and Thunder made by snowflake12298

Totem and Asger by snowflake12298


Icarus made by the amazing Alexadragonfire

Salazar made by MericcupNightFury

Asger made by LissaFish