Unfair Tournament: Phantoms, Farms and friends

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This tournament is destructive to the Clans. It seems like the only way to compete in this tournament is to eliminate fellow members and friends from the Clan. Although some clans may feel that it's worth doing this for a pair of boots The Phantom Lords do not. We will continue to fly and fireball thoughout the tournament but we will not cut clan members to win a pair of boots. The Phantoms would like to thank all the true dragon riders of SOD for the thrill and joy of flying a dragon. We look forward to flying in the next tournament with old and new members and friends. 

 

 

Phantom Farms:  The leader of The Phantom Lords jjway, would like to invite all his friends to a farm party at his farm on April 1 at 6pm EST to celebrate the end of the tournament and to see and make new friends. When you arrive at the farm  party invite all your friends as well.

 

 see you in the skies: jjway

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I agree with this.  Though

I agree with this. 

 

Though Ruffnut may say competition is the essence of life, i do think however, tournaments like this raise stress upon members as they feel forced to play, i think that it is everyones choice on whether playing or not. 

 

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I agree. This is a terrible

I agree. This is a terrible method because it may become a reason for disputes within a clan. Instead of promoting camaraderie and sportsmanship, it may instead spout backstabbing and low morale. I suppose it's too late to change the way they collect the trophy count though. Now we may just have to wait and see which clans drop their members to get a bigger shot at the prize. It's ugly, but I suppose that's just how it goes now. I hope no one does this though. It's a bit sad.

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Erm... not really...

After reading these comments, I feel like defending the tournament organizers a it.  I mean, if you don't want trophy-counting tournaments at all that is one thing (and a legitimate request, actually), but if there is going to be a tournament where trophy counts matter, I don't see a better way to do it.

 

How else would you?  I read someone say that the trophies per member should be calculated only based on those members who earned trophies, so if a clan had 50 members and only 10 of them won any trophies that week, it should be those trophies divided by 10 = trophies per member.  I think this is a much worse idea, because it would lead to each clan designating their single highest performer to go win trophies (so that it was a pile of trophies divided by 1 member) and everyone else being careful to not earn any so that they didn't get counted.  This wouldn't be team work at all.

 

And it does need to be per member, or small clans that are tight-knit and active would have no chance against huge clans that are only giving a little bit of effort to compete.

 

I resent the implication that a clan would have to slash their ranks in order to win.  Perhaps I'm just lucky to be part of a very active clan, but nearly every member of the Snow Leopards put forth great effort in our first week, and we will continue to do so.  And anyone who is interested in doing the same is welcome to apply to join us!

 

While it may be true that slashing your ranks might improve your numbers, it’s definitely not the only way to win.  If the Snow Leopards win, it will not be due to this tactic.  It will be because of lots of hard work, dedication, and camaraderie, and encouragement among our clan members!

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Are you denying the potential

Are you denying the potential damage it could do to the relationships of the people in a clan? Yes, you got lucky because your members are often active. Good for you. No one's gonna bring you down because of that. But don't deny what this could do to clans. 

 

Also, they don't need to be defended at all. I'm sure they have a good enough backbone. Just voicing an opinion here. We're not attacking the organizers. 

 

PS. Oh and you don't really have a reason to slash members though, do you? Your member count is already small. Also, nice implication that other clans don't have any of those. :P

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Competitions

I wouldn't deny that any competition would encourage people to compete, and thus potentially damage relationships between the people who are interested in competiting and those who aren't.  That's what competitions are.  So if you're saying we shouldn't have any tournaments at all, perhaps that's something to think about.

 

*shrugs*  I too am just voicing my opinions.  If someone has an improvement to suggest here, I would like to hear it.

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So what you're saying is that

So what you're saying is that it's alright to apply a flawed system. That one should never question or demand better of it? Sounds to me that you're becoming tad bit biased. A suggestion would be good, I agree. You need to re-read what you just typed though, it sounds awfully silly. 

 

PS. Oh. And just because someone is questioning something doesn't mean that they don't want the system applied. Just to make things clear. 

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I did reread these four

I did reread these four posts, and I have to admit that I'm confused... apply a flawed system?  Biased? 

AegonTheConquerer wrote:
So what you're saying is that it's alright to apply a flawed system. That one should never question or demand better of it?

I didn't say anything like that... that seems a bit of a strong reaction.  Let me just say that I do question everything, and I think it is good to do so.  I have also found it helpful, especially to those I question, to be ready to provide alternate solutions when I suggest that something is flawed.

 

I don't think the tournament is perfect.  Maybe it's not even good.  Maybe we shouldn't have them at all.  But I don't think it's innately destructive, either.  My main objection was not to your comment, but to the idea that a clan would have to slash their ranks and be divided in order to win. 

jimmysin wrote:
It seems like the only way to compete in this tournament is to eliminate fellow members and friends from the Clan.

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Really? That's good and all but....

See, I just find it odd that you'd even suggest the idea that we're complaining for the wrong reasons here. What, we don't want a tourney? Strange, see we're all enjoying the competition. We love racing, I'm sure we all do. But that odd implication you inserted there is a bit strange. And no... you're the one who made an over reaction. Not me. 

 

That's what competitions are.  So if you're saying we shouldn't have any tournaments at all, perhaps that's something to think about.

There is also the unecessary insistence. 

 

If the Snow Leopards win, it will not be due to this tactic.  It will be because of lots of hard work, dedication, and camaraderie, and encouragement among our clan members!

That's wonderful! That's a good thing to have! But the way you rub it in implied that the other clans don't have any of these and that's why they will lose, it's an awfully risque thing to say when your clan is in an advantageous position. I am simply suspecting that your voiced opinions are a wee bit affected by your position. Again, just to make things clear. People here are not complaining of positions. But the strangeness of the count and that the efforts they put in will not be enough because of this formula. It is not a strange thing to ponder about no? After all, even the Olympics have its issues.  

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Clarification

I don't think a clan *needs* to cut people in order to win.  I'm still interested in ideas of other ways to do the trophy counting...

 

I would think most other clans do have great relationships among their members - that's what brings us together in the first place. 

 

And you're right, every competition has its issues.

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Agreed. I really don't want

Agreed. I really don't want clans cutting people off for this. That's like chopping off your limbs to survive a fall. It's messy and ugly. There has got to be a better formula.

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Troll?

I have read and reread this whole conversation, and now I have to ask are u trolling Aegon?

 

You whole point is that clans will have to drop members to win, right? I have not seen this in the slightest. I have only seen the usual cutting of excessively inactive. In your op you talk about how this is not helping clans to work together and win, I find this mostly false. In this game there is honestly not a lot of team work needed. What method of earning trophies is there team work needed? On side note a relay race would be a cool addition. The only team work is the common goal of winning.

 

Your second post brings in to question your reading comprehension skills. Terraline said nothing about how it could not be damaging to inter-clan relations. I love the jab that u aim at the Snow Leopards that u have at the end of that post. It honestly makes me smile. 

 

The next post you make also makes me doubt you a little. Again in the post that u are referring to there is not mention as to Terraline saying that it is ok to apply a flawed system, and not try to make improvements. She was just pointing out facts. Here is another fact, There is no perfect system.

 

Your final post i am going to comment on, you talk about how u state the "Strange, see we're all enjoying the competition. " Reading the posts u have made does not sound like it. In Fast sounds as if u resent the fact that it is happening. And again the jab at SL makes me laugh. Terraline said nothing of the sort, by the way just gave an explanation as to why the SL do so well, and i did not read any one rubbing anything in. i am sure SL would welcome 20 more members like the ones we have now. We do not try to be small clan, in fact have open recruitment. There are requirements, but they are do able. We just want some one that works hard Standing next to us. Moving on to your formula comment, u will need to go down to my op, is the same large or small. 70% active earning 100 points is the same 20,40,80, and 100, just getting your members to add it is the problem.

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Aegon, you're being extremely

Aegon, you're being extremely rude here. Terraline wasn't rubbing anything in- she was merely stating that the SL won't be cutting members purely to win. She said nothing about any other clan, or what they might or might not be doing to win. Also, it doesn't force clans to cut members, and it doesn't force anyone to play. It encourages people to play by offering a prize, and if they don't want to put in the effort, that's fine. If their clan has a problem with that, then that's fine. But honestly, I don't think this will harm relationships in a clan. If the members of a clan are willing to kick people out just to win, in all honesty, they probably never had any sort of "relationship" with their clan members to begin with. Voicing your opinion is all well and good, but screaming it at the top of your lungs and insulting everyone that disagrees with you is definitely not the way to go. And... the point of the game is to play it. If you don't play, you don't win. Mind blown. Also, what is this advantageous position you mentioned? The Saddle of Champions has been deactivated for the CoC, and the trophy count is reset at every stage of the competition. Yes, the SL are very active, but like I said before, the point of the game is to play.

I feel like you're really grasping at straws here just for the purpose of insulting Terraline and the Snow Leopards as a whole. Terraline is a great player and a great friend (and she's not insulting your opinion, merely commenting on it, just as you were commenting on the CoC) as I'm sure many players are. The Snow Leopards are a great clan; active, supportive, and happy, as I'm sure many clans are. 

And yes, I did intend to insult you in this post, just as you've insulted my clan and its members. Remember this when you start to say hurtful and thoughtless things in future thread to other people, whether they're in Snow Leopards or not.

If you would like to attack us in the future, feel free to PM me, but please come armed with some real complaints- not twisted words and false accusations. Have a nice day.

 

P.S. Phantom Lords! I think it's great that you refuse to cut members to win. Good luck in the games!

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Very Well put

I agree with you JJway.  You put it very nicely.  I am proud to be in a clan that the leader and members feels this way.  Thanks for saying this. 

At this point, I am not sure if I am going to be able to make it to the party, but I sure will try.  It would great to do this.

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Well said. :) I too have

Well said. :) I too have thought it unfair on the clans with larger numbers, and wish there was some way to balance the tournaments better.

Maybe the SoD team should focus more on individual player tournaments which are more fair?

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I think this is a good idea.  The Eel Roast tournament for example seemed to be a pretty good compeition because it was up to each viking to compete or not, it had a cool, exclusive prize (golden helmet), and 50 people won!

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good on you jjway

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ooh a party i was thinking ABOUT THIS BUT SURE I CAN COME JUST A QUESTION IS THERE GONNA BE GAMES O-o?

 

 

 

 

 

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Haha, well, if my clan joins

Haha, well, if my clan joins in on the fun then there certainly will be!!

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I agree with jiway 100 percent we shoulnt have to cut off friend and fellow clan mates just for a pair of shoes, the creators of sod should host a team building tournoment instead one with new team minigames where you have to work together.

Oh and sadly I cant come to the party it will be midnight exact where I am :(

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i agree with jjway

I'm a proud member/elder of this clan sadly i'm can,t maked to the party when my agenda looks like this 

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Rise to the occasion...

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! We've admired everyone’s continued commitment to their Clan during the Clash of the Clans tournament. However, to come out on top, Clan leaders must engage their fellow Dragon Trainers to test their ultimate will and strength when it comes racing across the finish line at Thunder Run racing or perfecting their shot in Fireball Frenzy. The tournament’s high level stakes and prizes are meant to encourage Clans to come together as a united front and evolve into fearsome force to be reckoned with around SoD!

That being said, leaders have the responsibility to each of their Clan members to take the helm when it comes to finding ways to assure that their group of Vikings is performing at its best and exhibiting a high level of excellence in competition. After all, every Clan has equal opportunity to recruit, strategize, and put their best foot forward. There is no better time than now to do what you need to do to rile up your fellow Clan members and rise above the rest. There is nothing stopping you from powering through to the next round of competition whether you've made it into our top 8 advancing Clans or are competing for coins in Eel Roast!

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My option on this.
I just want to take some time to post my thoughts here. First off, is i do not see what everyone if so angry about with this Tournament. All games have competitions of some sort. This one is nicely balanced everyone has a shot at winning. I have yet to see how this is a *unfair Tournament"?  What is so wrong with the system as  it is now? I am not saying it is perfect but i do not see any major flaws in it. You reap what u sow. Plain and simple.
 
Second is that u do not need to have a small clan to win. The reason a small clan is theoretically better is that they have less people to worry about getting on each day and earning something. That is it, the only real advantage. It is also a weakness, though most people do not recognize that. If 70% of your members gets on and earns 100 points it is the same for 20 as it is for 50 is still 70%.
 
Third point is, you should know what kind of person you are, and join that type of clan. Most gammers fall in to two broad categories, the competitive and the laid back. Join the clan that fits you. Yes a competitions will destroy a clan that is not one or the other, as will in real life. The competitive not wanting to be held back, resents the laid back side, thus the problem, but a clan of same minded people can do wonders. 
 
I am not trying to diminish what the Phantom Lord are doing. I commend them for having morals, but i do not see why it is so amazing that they are doing this? If you are a competitive person, join a competitive clan. If u are laid back do not join a competitive clan and expect to sit back and do very little and not have repercussions of some type.