Something the Admins need to consider.

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Hey guys!

I've been going through a lot of the suggestions for new mini-games, (ones which include raids, battles, etc) and on one of my threads, Primus04 made a very good comment, explaining why we can't have these types of games.

 

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"I like your idea but believe me or not, the developer team won't put the Viking Battle especially if it's a battle to the death. Why?

Well, although there are already a REAL LOT of adult players, the game was started as a focus for younger player or kids. So they will discuss it out whether the new mini-game is safe for the children or not.

In the past, there are already a lot of players suggesting this 'battle' idea or something similar including me but the developer team didn't want to promote or encourage the idea of violent (even if it's mild) battles to the kids.

 

Hence, why they focus to update more on quests, rewards or updating new outfits nowadays. However, I do hope they can think of something for that health feature."

 

I want to bring this up and disect why this is generally unfair to the older 'kids'. (Teens, I should say.)

 

How to Train Your Dragon was released in March, 2010. Holding the guidance rating of PG, this usually aims for the ages of 9 - 12 aged kids, but with the interest of the fantasy aspects of dragons, many older viewers watched. Many teens, even adults partaked in this release, and followed the TV show, and are now awaiting the release of the new movie.

What does this have to do with the game now? Those 9 - 12 year olds are now 13 - 16 year olds, and those teens are now in their twenties, and so on. Yes, the game was made for kids, but the whole shabang is directed to TEENS, with the new release.

 

(In the original film Hiccup was 15, he is now 20. Just to point this out also.)

 

Us older members feed off battles, (which we got a heavy dose in every other thing Dreamworks has put out for HTTYD) but in the online game we are not getting that, which leaves the game feeling very boring, doing quests made for kids in Elementary school. (etc. Scientific method, looking for rocks, picking up flags??)

 

I propose there be a server for the long time members, those who are considered 'too old' to roll with the young kids. We find them annoying, (no offense to any of you. Although, if you are under 13 and on the forum, you are breaking a law anyways.)

This seperate server should be for 13+ kids, and should be much more mature rated.

(Inculding all of our much wanted battle quests.)

And those kids who break the rules and slip through, well they should be banned from that server until they can prove their age. (Sites who do this require a copy of your birth cerificate, or a call from a parent to confirm you are of age. I'm sorry but in the US, there is a law for the use of the internet for those under 13. That's why on Facebook, Youtube, and other popular social media sites you have to be 13 to register.)

 

But, these kids who are now just 9 - 12 and getting into HTTYD, didn't experience it the way us older kids did.

We don't need much, just a little something to know the original viewers are still thought of. :/

Especially, I'm not sure how many teens are here, but I for one was an original viewer, and would like something more age appropriate to reward me for continued viewership to HTTYD.

 

I don't want to start a flame war between age groups. Don't be mean in the comments.

Just bump it and put in your opinion, so the admins will hopefully consider this.

 

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I'm an older play and i've

I'm an older player and i've never felt the need for battling haha, 

 

I like the idea but since SoD is part of "Jumpstart - Fun games for kids", it will probably take a heck of alot of convincing for them to do such a thing. 

 

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I don't know man, it just

I don't know man, it just seems a lot of players really bump having battles in mini-games.

I feel if there is an age restriction on that corner of the server, it would be fine to include in the game.

 

If they can air extremely emotional, suggested death plots, and let's not even mention how Dagur acts in front of kids, I think having us shooting fire balls at eachother or computer generated targets would really be no biggie.

I know they don't want to put violence in front of kids, but lets face it, they get it everywhere else anyways.

 

I know so many kids who play 18+ rated games and their parents don't even care. Not saying every parent doesn't moderate their children, but a lot don't. I was allowed to watch Naruto and Inuyasha growing up, that was some pretty gnarly stuff. But I'm not asking for graphic blood and burns to appear in the game. I would never want that anywhere near a game that was rated under 18+.

Simple mini games like fighting off the hungry wolves (mentioned in a quest) from entering the school, or possible breaking into the hatchery, or more complicated ones like defending berk from Dagur and Drago, (given that he survives in the movie.) or protecting Berk from rogue dragons.

I just feel the game would be a lot more entertaining for the older kids then.

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I really understand what

I really understand what you're getting at and I've felt similar things, but to be fair I understand why they do it.

 

As far as I know, this game is not directly made by the people who make the movies / show / original material for the franchise. It is based off of aforementioned material and alludes to it -- like the movie does to the book. And while this is based a lot more closely on the source material, it's still a completely separate thing, and on top of that it's produced by a company that makes games for...well, young kids. 

Whether or not these kids can actual handle mild violence is the question of the day (I THINK so -- there are plenty of blood-less, generally non-savage ways to go about things), but in any event I think that it's a little unfair to be generalizing them as "annoying" and asking to be separated from them because this is, after all, the game meant for them. We older players are just hitching a ride on stuff that was created with them in mind. And suddenly we're like the bronies all over again, griping about how My Little Pony's target audience of little girls is ruining the show just because they're watching it too.

 

I do think that it should be slightly less restricted, though, because if my friend's little brother can watch movies like Beauty and the Beast and Spirited Away where no small amount of actual blood is involved and he can't even read yet, then I'm pretty sure kids on here can do physical things without it. 

We already lob fireballs at each other; why not just redirect their aim at some incoming giant dragon and have it fly off rather than hidewhen it's had enough? 

 

But asking School of Dragons to do something to mature-ify a game that wasn't even meant for us in the first place feels kind of iffy to me. I get what you're saying, but I'm sorry -- I can only sort of agree. 

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It's fine and I know what

It's fine and I know what your saying, it's pretty iffy to me too.

Just like a lot of other people, the non use of that health bar kind of dazes me.

Who knows if it's even a health bar, but it has some purpose that isn't clear yet.

 

But yeah, it is directed towards children and pulled off in a different direction from the books, but lets just think. The Red Death basically exploded at the end of HTTYD, we don't really know what happened, and kids who are young don't understand death like that, but that was pretty brutal for a PG movie. We didn't see it happen, last thing the viewer directly saw was fire bursting from the sides of it. Kids old enough to understand, did.

We didn't think of it like that at the time though, we were just like 'WOOOOOO THEY WON'.

But just, it's kinda weird with the game being so.. kid like..

Especially if in Berk, you didn't really become the age to begin dragon training until you were around 14. It's iffy that the models are teens, yet the game is made for kids? Wouldn't it be more fitting to have kid or preteen models? I don't really know.

But I agree, instead of dying, the dragon could just get annoyed, grunt, then fly off to return again.

And with how they handled it in the TV show, they did battle Dagur's fleet, but they also used the Smothering Smokebreaths to steal all of their metal, which sunk their boats, etc. making it 'safer' for kids.

But really, we've had so many things go down where dragons almost died in the series, the second season was much more mature than the first.

(Not to mention most shows on cartoon network are completely past PG anyways, they should have put it on another channel. But if they did, it wouldn't have gotten as many views I feel.)

 

Just a few kid safe 'battles' would be nice to have.

I would even like a mini game where we can train the Terrible Terrors to herd sheep into pens. B)

I think more mini-games would be more fun than Quests to find rocks and pick up flags.

The only quests I enjoyed were the ones where you had to fly up to Gothi's to look at the clouds. I would stay up there for 5 minutes just looking at the sky aha

There were just so many close calls in the movies, shows, and the console games that it should be an influence to School of Dragons more than it is. Considering they are all the same franchise.

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totally agree

i totally agree with ur idea , specially that - as u said -most of these kids play a number of fighting games anyway , and some of them even requested the fighting idea before .

so the whatever mild fighting they might put its a wholelot less than what they find out there . plus it'll  be fun anyway.

or to make sure , i suggest that the admins make a poll on who wants or not .
( note that : the kids who agree will already be playing violent games ) and i don't see whats the harm of giving them somethiing less mild than what they watch or play .

instead I can see benefits , eg : way more players , way more fun .
 

and thanks for reading anyway

 

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totally agree

i totally agree with ur idea , specially that - as u said -most of these kids play a number of fighting games anyway , and some of them even requested the fighting idea before .

so the whatever mild fighting they might put its a wholelot less than what they find out there . plus it'll  be fun anyway.

or to make sure , i suggest that the admins make a poll on who wants or not .
( note that : the kids who agree will already be playing violent games ) and i don't see whats the harm of giving them somethiing less mild than what they watch or play .

instead I can see benefits , eg : way more players , way more fun .
 

and thanks for reading anyway

 

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As long as there is no blood,

As long as there is no blood, no graphic injuries, etc. it is safe for kids.

 

Take Pokemon for example, a large franchise, labeled as E for everyone, yes?

They go about it in the completely right direction, having battles with no visual harm besides scuff marks and having swirls for eyes when they are out of HP.

 

SoD could take from that and do the same, when you run out of health, it'll load a screen saying something like, "You have been knocked unconscious, you wake up in your bed, your dragon sitting by your bedside."

And you would be in Berk, outside one of the homes. I think that would be a great way to handle it!

And after that you would have to feed your viking or something of that matter to replenish your health. We already shoot fireballs at eachother repeatedly, so might as well make a game out of it, eh?

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OH

Ooh, if we are basing this off pokemon, we could have a place where a viking npc sells items to get your hp back up assuming these battles take your hp down. It could be kind of like an diner(?) where you rest for a bit, talk to the other vikings who were knocked out and then after a bit you leave.

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Bumping this. There's just so

Bumping this.
There's just so many kid safe ways to put little battles in the game, instead of just updating clothes and items that only those who purchase gems can get.

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Yes

Yes, I like your suggestion! I don't even think I played the 'safe' or 'girly' games growing up (currently 15 turning 16 first week of June) because they got boring after awhile. I mean yeah they were fun at first and passed time, but I always felt gravitated towards things like pokemon and mortal kkombat....and chess. Also chess isn't as safe as most people think, it's based off of and ABOUT war. Believe it or not.

 

So I think because game designers, and not just the SoD team mind you, are trying so hard to make a kid-safe game that a lot of kids get....well bored and go look up another dragon game. Seriously look at all the Viking-*insert numbers here*, all those unnamed vikings tell me they're just doing a test run of the game and we all know how impatient kids are. So another server for older kids might be a good idea.

 

...Isn't Wizard 101 from Jumpstart too? And I've never played it, but isn't it about fighting mosters and bosses and stuff with magis? If that's true then why not bring it here with our dragons?

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I'm not sure, but theres a

I'm not sure, but theres a lot of action packed games that we play in PE in school that could instantly become 10 times better with the addition of dragons. And, the games would be kid safe. B)

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That's true

Oh, I remember how much we loved dodgeball in middle school. You know...until someone got hit in the face. It was fun up until then. I also had another idea for a game that somewhat already exists in the game now.

 

Why not mix Fireball Frenzy and Thunder Run together? Racing is fun and not many people get on FF so why not bring the best of both worlds? Racing against each other while trying to shoot more targets than the other racer. It would still be a 1v1 format since it'd even out the target...consumption between the two riders.

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Having dodgeball in the game

Having dodgeball in the game would be so cool omg xD

We had this game called Man from Mars, where in a class of about 28 kids, 3 would be 'it' and stand in the middle and we would have to try to get past them to the other side of the gym. B)

And those who got tagged would sit down on the floor and wave their arms to try to snag the legs of those running by.

 

And mixing TR and FF would be pretty cool, or how in FC we pick up flags/sheep? Maybe we could get extra trophies or coins by picking up/shooting these targets.

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I'm sorry but i took offense to the whole "us older players feed of battles"

I'm 23 and i don't like battles, i played WoW (World of Warcraft) and didn't even like that!

Since i started SOD the thought of "battles" never even crossed my mind. Even as a teen i never liked them, i think you should say "Some older players like to battle" because just cause you and your friends may like "battles" doesn't mean everyone else your age group does.

As for the separate server, i dislike the idea. Age doesn't have anything to do with how mature you are, but yeah the thing is because we can't say numbers in-game noone truely knows how old you are, just because someone might act 7 or 10 doesn't mean they are that age. 

 

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I completely agree. Things

I completely agree. Things are fine as they are. There doesn't need to be another server.

 

Yes, sure we could have mini battles, where characters shed no blood but do take damage. I am sure that'd be alright for the kids, but I don't feel it is needed. It is wanted by some, but not desperately needed.

 

And like Pedz said, you can't assume a person's age when you don't know them. Some adults may act a bit like kids, some kids may act a bit like adults. You can't judge their maturity based on their age.

 

Also, again said by Pedz, not all teens like battles. I don't love them, and I don't hate them. Some kids love battles, some adults hate battles. Their age just doesn't count. You cannot make a true judgement based on somebody's age.

 

So, like I said before, maybe some child-safe mini-games would be nice, to make the game less boring and repetitive. Just not the server. Little battles will be fine.

 

Anyway, suggestions are always welcome. Lets see what the admins think...

 

 

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Im sorry for generalizing

Im sorry for generalizing like that, I wasnt thinking that much. (Which is really rude of me.)
Just more action and multiplayer quests/minigames besides Thunder Run would be nice to have.
Like Viking paint ball, fencing, tag, capture the flag, etc. I was just trying to point out there can be satisfactory battle missions without being explict to kids.

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I understand. I'm very

I understand. I'm very stubborn, it makes me rude sometimes too XD Especially in debates and contests. I am very competitive XD

 

 

And now you've rephrased it, yes, I agree. Mini-games would definitely make this game a bit more ejoyable.

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Yeah, sorry I generalized

Yeah, sorry I generalized everything like that, I was just in a fit on debate. A lot of my points were off, it just seems to happen sometimes.
Im nearly 15, with the skills of a beached fish when it comes to other 'battle' games, since all of the xbox/playstation games that are live with players always seems to have those guys/girls who think they own the server or something.
I never want gorey games, nor anything graphic in any way.
I should rephrase, many members have asked for raid type quests and games, and as long as they aren't graphic they seem fine to me.
I wasnt really thinking in the first post, sorry if I came off as rude or anything. B(

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Yes, certainly an interesting question . As for the birth certificate it is already too much. So why complicate life for themselves and other players ? The lay out of copies of documents to the site can alert and scare many players. Despite the fact that I'm 17 I would not have to lay out your documents . As for the quests and battles .... it would be fun ! But why do we need the fights? Who cares? I think it would be better if admins provide a greater number of quests , new locations , new  interesting ways to earn trophies and new tames dragons. As I already said , players have very few of them . Why divide the game into age categories ? After all, you can simply improve this game  . That's all!  XD

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Im just an action junkie who

Im just an action junkie who is terrible at any other games. (Like first person shooters.)
I dont want anything overboard, and like another person suggested, viking paint ball or capture the flag would be great!!
My thread really made me seem like I want blood and glory everywhere, but trust me thats not what Im going for.
Just more actual multiplayer games besides Thunder Run would be cool. I was suggestion battles just as a use for the health bar. B)

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Hmm...

The problem with the different server is that you can lie about your age if you wanted to. People would probably always find a way around it. So it wouldn't really work.

 

Maybe we should look at it a different way? Battle doesn't have to be as violent as you're talking. Take the sport fencing for example. It's sword fighting, but you don't get injured at all. I could see maybe competitive "fighting" in a game where fighting isn't the main goal. Like, say capture the flag. You could potentally fight against other players if you're defending a flag. Maybe for the game, you'd get armor or something for you and your dragon to wear so you don't actually get damage.

 

Or, something where you can't get damage, like a viking version of paint ball. You're out if you get so many hits by the paint.

 

There's a lot of options for this if you get creative! :3

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I agree with this suggestion

I agree with this suggestion hardcore. Viking paint ball would be so fun, along with capture the flag omg
What games do we play in PE??
Even tag would be cool. (Even though that would be hard to tag.)

And I was never talking about introducing gorey battles, just more games with a battle theme would be fun. xD
I just want more action in the game!!

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Remember guys there's no way

Remember guys there's no way in censored the admins are going to change the game so I wouldn't keep my hopes up if I were you. I mean they barely even moderate the forums..

Anywho I love all of the ideas with the quests and games. 

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I really wish they would

I really wish they would actually consider our ideas, and give us feedback on it.

We barely get any teasers for updates, besides when Snod goes behind their backs to give out info aha.

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Yeah, but I think that was

Yeah, but I think that was planned out

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(We all secretly know it was

(We all secretly know it was but pretend not to know)

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xD That's cute~ poor admins..

xD That's cute~ poor admins..

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"Subjects are cool"

Only thing i agree on is more quests, but quests like you have to try beat the trainers score in Fireball Frenzy/thunder racing etc, and get rewarded for it if you beat or come close to beating them. Even add something like an Axe throwing contest :)