Round 2 of Clash of the Clans 2016 Begins NOW!
With an incredible start of the tournament, Round 1 has finally completed - and the results are in! Thank you all for your relentless efforts in this challenging first week, but now it's time to narrow down the playing field. Proud Vikings, allow me to present you the top EIGHT Clans that will move onto Round 2 - which starts NOW!
Spirit of Valhall (#1) v. Swift Champions (#8)
Valor (#2) v. xX Club White Bat Xx (#7)
Wings of Freedom (#3) v. The Forgotten Racers (#6)
The Phantom Lords (#4) v. Team Fearless (#5)
Once again, if you need a refresher on how our annual tournament is broken down, be sure to click on [this link] to find out more. Otherwise cheer on your favorite Clan out of the remaining eight, and stick around NEXT WEEK to see who made it to the Semi Finals on Monday (3/14)! http://smarturl.it/ClashClans16W2
Congratulations & Good Luck to all that made it into the
Wahoo! Go Valor!
Way to go, Valor!
Knew you guys could do it. Keep up the hard work!
I'm rootin' for ya.
Thanks, Faux! You're the best! We miss you! ^_^
Not too bad yourself, m'lady.
Perhaps after the tournament is over, I can re-apply to join?
Hopefully I won't glitch out like last time. Ugh, that was unbearably ridiculous.
Phantom Lords! ROAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRR!!
We can do this clan :D
Yay Phantoms :)
Yes we made it!!!! GO FEARLESS!!!! :)
Best of luck for the next round!
ROARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Phantoms ROARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Congrats to Phantoms and to all the 8 clans that made it into the next round.
GO PHANTOMS WE CAN DO THIS! HEAR US RRRROOOOOOOOOAAAAAARRRRR!!!!
And a huge congratulations to all the other clans that made it. :)
Swifties Swifties OI OI OI!
SWIFTIES SWIFTIES OI OI OI!
Great job Swift Champions and all the rest of the clans!!!! We have had a lot of fun this week!
Anyone care to tell me how this clan made it in, unless the clans maybe did not earn that many trophies this time, I don't get how they did it. Usually you guys earn over 10,000 trophies at the ver least for the tournaments per round. Im a little baffled ???
Not to mention that this clan is all one racer who has been speed hacking all week. Giving others fake lap times.
Your more polite then me Zero. Baffled wouldn't exactly be the word I'd use.
Before I go on to hating someone, I like to be sure that they rightfully deserve to be hated...
How didn't The Lightning PreadatorZ
Can confirm... ooOMEGAoo is a speed hacker. Makes you wonder how many subtle speed hackers are passing through the filters here. :u
If he did speed hack, you wonder if his clan should be disqualified and if the 9th place clan should take its place.
Technically 8th place should be bumped to 7th and 9th should be bumped to 8th, rather than 9th bumped to 7th :p
But i agree, i hope if they were cheating they get disqualified.
They are cheating. Whether it's through glitchcuts or speedhacking I don't know, but it's cheating either way. This guy kept teleporting all over the map (not boosting).
Your trophies are divided amongst number of people in the clan. He does not have many people in his clan and he has earned a comparatively large amount of trophies with his little tricks this week.
But still. Baffling it is.
This is why I wish the tournament was just plainly whoever earned the most trophies moves on/wins, no matter if they are a small clan. If a clan earned 25,000 trophies but a larger clan earned 35,000, then the larger one would move on. But if a smaller clan earned 37,000 trophies to the larger's 35,000, then the small one should move on.
It would make their life and our lives a whole lot simpler if they would just do on trophy amounts alone.
I'm not saying this because my clan isn't in the tournament. We did our best and that is all we can do.
I've always felt this way about the clan tournaments.
You don't see things like this happening in real march madness tournaments. You would see a smaller school be given a ten point lead to start the game just because they are smaller than the other school they are up against.
Tournaments are supposed to be the best of the best. And if the Top 8 were the Top 8 from the leader boards, then that would be fine with me.
Trying to be fair to everyone at the same time, always brings with it unfairness to the someone that is right in the middle.
The clans at the top get in and the clans towards the bottom get in. Then leave out the clans in the middle.
Just simply have which ever clans scored in the Top 8 of trophies overall last week should be the Top 8. If it goes against the smaller clans, then they should recruit and get more active players.
What do you guys think?
That would be a very bad idea. If they did not divide between clan members, then we would most certainly know who would win. Large clans would be unbeatable. This at least gives a chance for the smaller but active clans to compete fairly. Otherwise, there would be no tournament. mean, who would go against large clans? or the top clans?
As a large clan, if you surely want to win, you should kick the inactive and non-trophy earning members to bring up your chances.
I like the current setting most. There is a competition at the very least.
Maybe it is just me and wanting it to be simple. If a competition is simple, you can worry more about earning trophies than having to worry about how many people are in your clan, worry about should I kick anybody out, worry about how many people have to be active for the clan to do well, worry about how many trophies you have to make.
I like competition that are clear, cut, and dry. Simple, understandable rules so that all you have to worry about is actually competiting.
I'm sure my clan would go against any top clan now. We are going against them now on the leader boards.
Just because you are a small clan/team doesn't mean you can't beat a larger clan/team.
Look at the 2015 NCAA tournament. Two #2 teams were beaten by two #15 teams last year. Just because you are smaller, ranked lower, does not mean you don't hardly have a chance to win. It is the will, effort, and hard work the clan/team puts in that will be the deciding factor.
Which clan wants it more?
Which ever clan shows more heart will be the one coming out on top.
The whole thing about clan tournaments is they are supposed to be whole clan touranments. You need your clan-mates to help you out. You can't go anywhere without them. If saying that if you kick out more people in your clan you will have a better chance at winning, that does NOT seem clan-mate attitude or a teamwork oriented tournament. I'd rather keep everyone in my clan and lose then kick people out and win. I'm a teamwork kind of guy. I can't do anything without the help of my clanmates.
"As a large clan, if you surely want to win, you should kick the inactive and non-trophy earning members to bring up your chances."
That's my whole point. It sounds like you will do anything and everything you can to win... even if it is taking out people out of your clan? I would NOT want to be in your clan if you would kick me out just because I didn't earn trophies all the time.
There is a life outside of this game and winning isn't everything. Sure it is fun, but this is just one month out of the year. See what happened to the Thawfest games with Hiccup and Toothless... I'd rather be a good sport and lose then a sore winner.
"There is a competition at the very least."
Another one of my points. If they would do it my way... you would have competition... at its BEST. You'd see very competitive clans going against each other, earning large amounts of trophies, and just plain competing.
I'd rather lose to a larger clan with more active members that earned more trophies then we did... then lose to a clan that only has one good racer in it when my clan has several people active and earning trophies.
You tell me what is fair and what is not fair
xX Club White Bat Xx only has SIX members in their clan, TWO of which do not have any trophies, while two others don't have much, with one with a fair amount, while the last one is doing all the earning for the clan.
This to me tells me that this clan only has one active member.
But my clan has FOURTEEN active members earning trophies. Granted some earn a lot more than others, but still I have 10+ members that actively earn trophies.
So you tell me what is fair and not fair. Is it fair that a clan of 6 which only has one active member gets to be in the Top 8.... let me say that again... The Top 8 and play for the tournament, then a clan who has several members and several members who are active and has in their clan someone that has over 100,000 trophies? How in the world could this be fair that Club White Bat gets to be in the tournament and we don't?
(This is kind of a rant, but I mean no disrespect by it to anybody. I'm just trying to make my point clear.)
It would be a lot more fair if the Top 8 from the current leaderboards were the Top 8 in the tournament. That would be one whale of a tournament to be in, let alone just watch. I'd rather watch that kind of tournament then be in one that has so many stipulations and exceptions that would get so confusing.
I'd rather compete against an equally match clan which went right down to the wire, then compete with a clan that only has 6 members and I have many more... that are active.
Now. You tell me what is fair and not fair. How do you think I feel... my clan feels... right now that Club White Bat gets to be in the tournament and we don't?
Then where is the competition, though? If we can predict the outcome of it, then where is the excitement?
I wouldnt even care to follow the tournament because I knew exactly who would win. The placing of the tournament would equal the top 8 placing of the leaderboard as you said. So again... where is the competition? How would smaller but active clans see a chance in winning?
The main reason it works this way is because it is the most fair, you like it or not. People would be tired to see the same clans over and over again.
To be honest, I would not be mad if I was in a large clan and they would not make it into the tournament's later rounds because a smaller clan got in right in front of us. No, I would not. Because it means they were more active. because it means that my clan leader was not paying attention to the members and the trophy winning of each member. A clan leader has a lot of responsivbilities, which only grow once clan tournaments come in. Blame your clan leader and not the smaller clans. Because this shows that the smaller clan was way more active than yours.
This is as equal competition as it can get. If it was any other way, then the top leaderboard clan would hog all the first prices in each tournament. Who would even give the tournament a shot if that was the case? Right now, activity and trophy earning plays a lot greater role than member count. Which is -let us be honest- a clean competition. They simply eliminated the the size of the clan as an insta-win trait.
Again, blame your clan leader for doing a bad job at clan management.
I think if you think that's how the clans should have been ranked after the first round then you weren't paying attention to who was racing during the tournament. I think the clan ranking is pretty accurate for the level of activity and amount of winning I witnessed from each clan and then taking the number of clan members into consideration. Except for two clans on the list.
When you compare our clans to real life sports team, you have a massive flaw in your argument: real life sports teams have a set size. You don't have a team of fifty football players face off against a team of ten. You can't possibly say that a ten-man team has good odds of winning against a fifty-man team if their points are weighted equally. The clans in the game are nothing like real sports teams and simply can't be compared. There are no benches that inactive members are sitting on, ready to spring into action if someone else is injured. We don't have any referees or spectators making sure that people aren't cheating and using underhanded measures to gain an unfair advantage. And when a clan is eliminated from the tournament, there is nothing to stop racers from joining remaining clans to make them stronger. It's just not worth comparing.
Different tournaments have had their trophy calculations done slightly differently. This tournament clearly favours smaller clans and the clans who pare themselves down to the smallest amount of active, strong racers are the ones that will do best. Now of course there is some contention about how ethical it is to kick out clan members because they're not helping your chance of winning. The best idea probably came from Fearless who did not remove clan members, but made a team clan of active racers. That's kind of like how countries assemble teams of players to represent them in sports. But then it beggars the question of whether it's a true clash of the clans if you don't have your whole clan with you to compete.
Ultimately there is nothing fair about different sized teams competing against one another and that's why it's just not done in the real world. Clash of clans and clan ranking is something of a joke if you consider all the variables. A clan like Club White Bat is testament to just what a joke the whole thing really is.
Thank you, this was about what I would have said. I am glad someone else wrote it before me, since I am horrible at explanations.
The SoD team simply took out the size of the clan from the competition. Now, activity plays the main role, which is -clearly- fair. THIS is the closest one can get to real life competitions.
But, to be honest, it is not a joke. Someone paid a ton of money/had dedicated a lot of time to be in the next round. Nothing wrong with that.
Nope, I maintain that it is a joke. This is not how things are done in reality because it is a joke to try to have different sized teams competing with one another. It's not that spending a lot of time and money is a joke, it's that what was essentially a one-man-clan is competing in a tournament that is meant to be done in teams. Just because this one guy did that doesn't mean that the people in bigger clans who didn't get in put in less time or money, it just means their time and effort was spread across more people. Obviously anybody could do this - any one of us could put together a tiny clan with one trophy-grinder, but it just doesn't seem - to me, at least - what the Clash of Clans is supposed to be about.
I know SoD is doing the best to make a balanced tournament within their own restricted framework, but people like this are taking advantage of the balancing mechanisms. This is why we don't have balancing mechanisms and different sized teams in real-world competitions.
The way I would like to see it work is that, first round, everyone in a clan races to the best of their ability. The top racers in the clan go on to make up a, say, fifteen-man team to compete on the whole clan's behalf. Then we start with the top 8, quarters, semis and finals. This way each team competing is made up of active, top racers in a clan. Just like sports teams for countries are made up of elite sportsmen from those countries and not just anyone. This way each team would be competing with the same number of people and there wouldn't be drama related to people being removed from their clans for being "dead weight". There would be no mystery as to what magical formulas are being used to calculate ranking, we could literally just count trophies. There would be none of this smoke-and-mirrors business of high-trophy racers quickly moving into clans for tallying and then mysteriously disappearing as soon as the next round starts. There wouldn't be people shifting into other teams to make them stronger when their teams got knocked out of the running. We would have a game tournament that came closer to resembling a real-world tournament.
But is anything gonna change? Nope. We essentially have the same tournament with the same exact issues and fights happening each year. Just different winners (sometimes). No real changes and absolutely no improvements being made to the user experience. And so it will remain - at least to me - a joke.
"The way I would like to see it work is that, first round, everyone in a clan races to the best of their ability. The top racers in the clan go on to make up a, say, fifteen-man team to compete on the whole clan's behalf. Then we start with the top 8, quarters, semis and finals. This way each team competing is made up of active, top racers in a clan. Just like sports teams for countries are made up of elite sportsmen from those countries and not just anyone. This way each team would be competing with the same number of people and there wouldn't be drama related to people being removed from their clans for being "dead weight". There would be no mystery as to what magical formulas are being used to calculate ranking, we could literally just count trophies. There would be none of this smoke-and-mirrors business of high-trophy racers quickly moving into clans for tallying and then mysteriously disappearing as soon as the next round starts. There wouldn't be people shifting into other teams to make them stronger when their teams got knocked out of the running. We would have a game tournament that came closer to resembling a real-world tournament."
Now this would be a tournament I would like to be in.
It's not that spending a lot of time and money is a joke, it's that what was essentially a one-man-clan is competing in a tournament that is meant to be done in teams. Just because this one guy did that doesn't mean that the people in bigger clans who didn't get in put in less time or money, it just means their time and effort was spread across more people. Obviously anybody could do this - any one of us could put together a tiny clan with one trophy-grinder, but it just doesn't seem - to me, at least - what the Clash of Clans is supposed to be about.
I know SoD is doing the best to make a balanced tournament within their own restricted framework, but people like this are taking advantage of the balancing mechanisms. This is why we don't have balancing mechanisms and different sized teams in real-world competitions.
↑ That's essentially what I'm trying to say. A one-man clan gaining a spot in Round Two over a team seems unfair.
What if a clan has less people in it than 15? Like... 10 or 5 people. That is a clan too. If anything, 2 people is a clan as well and can be a team too. Would you disqualify them because they do not have the size required for the next round?
Now THAT would be stupidity.
You cannot define what a 'clan' is. Only SoD can. So a clan has 16 people in it and only 1 person is racing? Good for them (it is no different from having 100 members and only about 6 of those are racing). If you think about it, only 1 in every 16 trophies of his are counted into the tournament if he is the only one racing. Basically almost every second race of his goes to nothing, while other more active clans have it easier if their members are active enough.
It is merely about the activity % compared to the size of the clan. 1 in 16 members equals about 6% activity. 6 in 100 also equals 6% activity. This basically means he was a lot more active than some other complaining clans, despite the amount of trophies he loses because of the inactive members. Or he hacked, we seriously dont know until SoD doesnt give an announcement about it.
Again, it just comes down to activity. A large clan can easily win if the members are active enough collectively. If you take away the size of the clan, you will get a boring and predictable leaderboard placing in the tournament.
The tournament would be only fair if all clans were in the same size. But how can you achieve this without disqualifying small but active clans? That would be pretty unfair.
All in all, a clan is a clan as long as it has a clan name and members in it.
Oh my god that 0,25%....
The point did not change. They have a huge disadvantage for being the only racer in a 16 member clan. Basically, what you would need to do is have a better activity rate. More than that 6%.
You cannot have everything, though. Large clans have the leaderboard all for themselves. Smaller but more active clans have the tournaments. Choose what you want. You cannot have both. Again, every coin has two sides. If you want the coin, you got to like both of its sides.
Technically a coin has three sides. Heads, Tails, and the width or height that spans the length of the circumference of the coin; which you can stand any coin on its side.
I just thought I'd point out the .25% difference. I just wanted you numbers to be right.
Actually we can have both. The Phantom Lords, Snow Leopards, and Valor have had both since they started the tournaments. All three of these clans have tournament wins as well as being inside the Top 20 and Top 15, Top 10, and Top 5. So actually a clan can have both a high ranking and be in the tournament.
You don't have to like both sides of a coin. Just like I don't have to add onions on your pizza because I don't like them. I don't have to put them on the pizza just because their are a topping I can put on it and I have to like. I have the preference and right not to like onions. Just like I have the preference not to like a side of a coin. That doesn't mean that the side goes away. It is still there. Maybe I just perfer heads better than tails. Or vice versa.
We can have tournaments for both large and small clans. We can think about them, figure out who they would work, even make our own, and still request that another tournament be made or change the exsisting ones. That doesn't mean it will happen, but if we ask and it doesn't come through, we can still do it on our own if we can. So in fact we can have both. Have a high ranking and be in a tournament that we would enjoy more than others. It wouldn't be the same, but it would be better than nothing.
you two are relentless! respect!
We can have tournaments for both large and small clans.
How about a leaderboard for both large and small clans, then? How about a battle event for both large and small clans so small clans can win the 200 gems as well? Wait... this cannot happen... So better make the tournament as fair as possible for any sized clan. Laege clans have an enormoud advantage in everything else. Let them have a chance at the tournament.
Until people start making smaller but hugely active clans, they are able to be on the tournament. xD Truth is, there are no small clans that are truly that active to beat the large clans because the large clans are like a sponge. They suck away all the actives from the small ones because of their popularity. If people would be loyal, the piture would look different.
But the coin still has two sides. One, that enables you to be on top of the leaderboard and another that means you got to work hard to manage a clan this large and keep the activity level adequate for a competition like this. So yes, as I have already pointed out. just because you dont like one side, you still got to accept it. You said nothing new there but agreed with me. Good.
(^^^Reference is referring to our reply chain getting skinny.^^^)
It could happen. Anything could happen. And if it did, I wouldn't mind. Have like a 1A Top 30, 2A Top 30, etc., kind of like what they do in high school sports in the United States.
I guess there is pretty much pros and cons to being a large clan high on the leaderboards to a small active clan low on the leaderbords. One gets one thing, but loses another. The smaller clan gets the thing the big clan loss, but loses the thing that the big clan won.
Yes, a coin still has two side. Yet it still has three sides.
On this subject, I think we agree on more than we think; we just have different ways of saying that may look like we don't agree. We just got different ways of saying it.
I did a little back checking and did find pics of the first Clash of Clans tournament. And in the bracket picture with the prize in the middle, down at the bottom it did say that the tournament is based off of the average trophies spread among the members of the clan. I guess I could have checked before, but I'm so used to tournaments being whoever scores more than the other, regardless of what size they are, wins. But I guess one shouldn't assume too much and actually go and trouble check to see if what they think is actually right. So that is some fault on my end. But everybody can learn from mistakes to be better the next time.
I accept how the tournament is, I just don't prefer it to be done this way.
Clash of Clans is a tournament.
High School, College, and professional sports have tournaments.
Both Clash of Clans and these other levels of sports have tournaments. Both use the same word. And thus are fundementally the same. So I CAN compare them because they use the same word. Yes there are differences in a bunch of areas, but fundementally, a tournament is a competition that matches several teams/clans up against each other in a bracket style or a round robin format. In those match ups, who ever scores more than their opposition, wins.
I've been on a basketball team that had only 13 players... and won our state title. We played teams ranging in size from 10 - nearly 20. Three of our four games we won by five points or less. From where we were ranked, no one picked us to win the state title. Yet we did. Why? Because each team we played, we both started at zero. And whoever scored more points than the other team by the end of regulation or overtime if needed, wins.
^^^This is what I wish the tournaments were like. Just simply score more than the other team and you win.^^^
This way all one have to worry about is earning enough trophies for their clan.
The time one would spend trying to determine if they should kick out any members of their clan, the time one would spend trying to figure out how many trophies they and/or the clan would have to earn to play the averages, would be time not spent well when you could be fishing or getting eggs in preparation for the tournament or earning trophies it is during the tournament.
"I think if you think that's how the clans should have been ranked after the first round then you weren't paying attention to who was racing during the tournament. I think the clan ranking is pretty accurate for the level of activity and amount of winning I witnessed from each clan and then taking the number of clan members into consideration. Except for two clans on the list."
Those were my own predictions, based on preivous times and what I know about each clan and their activity. Predictions can be incorrect. Just look at metorology. The forecasters are trying to make predictions but all their are really doing is making educated guesses on what the weather would be like.
(Btw, if one would just look at the clouds and see what type is in the sky, one can know what the weather is going to do within three days.)
Sometimes pre-tournament rankings don't mean a thing. The number by the clan's name doesn't really mean anything. It just shows how they placed in the prelims. What matters now in the quarterfinals is who wants in more? Who will put more work in? Who will spend more time? Swift Champions has just as much chance as moving on as Slain of Valhall does. If Swift Champions want to win, they need to spend practically every waking moment to ensure their victory. But it can be done. And if they spend every waking moment when they aren't doing anything else irl, then the probablity of them possibly blowing out or having a large lead on Slain of Valhall goes up.
"When you compare our clans to real life sports team, you have a massive flaw in your argument: real life sports teams have a set size. You don't have a team of fifty football players face off against a team of ten. You can't possibly say that a ten-man team has good odds of winning against a fifty-man team if their points are weighted equally. The clans in the game are nothing like real sports teams and simply can't be compared. There are no benches that inactive members are sitting on, ready to spring into action if someone else is injured. We don't have any referees or spectators making sure that people aren't cheating and using underhanded measures to gain an unfair advantage. And when a clan is eliminated from the tournament, there is nothing to stop racers from joining remaining clans to make them stronger. It's just not worth comparing."
As I said above in the post, I can compare both real life tournaments to the Clash of Clans tournament... because they are both the most basic and fundemental terms exactly the same.
Well if fifty football players were out on the field against a ten man team, the fifty player team would be penalized for Too Many Men on the Field and quite possibly Unsportsman Like Conduct because they have too many men on the field.
But the ten man team really could not even participate because at least in the NFL you are Required to have at least 45 players on your team and at most 53 players on your team. So the smaller team would be disqualified anyway, according to NFL rules. College and High School football have similar rules regarding each team's roster.
I was making a comparision when referring to inactive players being like the bench players in basketball. There is such a thing as using a metaphor. I'm not saying they are the same, I'm saying they have are common things in relation to each other because:
Inactive players in a clan are not earning any trophies... because they are inactive.
Bench players in basektball are called bench players because... They are inactive and not used in games. If they are used, it is either Senior Night for High School and College Basketball or it is a blowout game with one of the teams up by a bunch.
Inactive players = Players not contributing to the Clan
Bench players = Player not contributing to the team in an official game as the coach uses his other players.
Both are inactive. And thus both are fundementally the same. And also I can make the comparision.
If a car is red and a house is red, you can make a comparision to the two... because both things have the color red. Both things have at least one thing in common. A car and a house have another thing in common, both are used by people. There are probably several other comparisions I can make, but I'll stop with those two for a house and a car.
"Different tournaments have had their trophy calculations done slightly differently. This tournament clearly favours smaller clans and the clans who pare themselves down to the smallest amount of active, strong racers are the ones that will do best. Now of course there is some contention about how ethical it is to kick out clan members because they're not helping your chance of winning. The best idea probably came from Fearless who did not remove clan members, but made a team clan of active racers. That's kind of like how countries assemble teams of players to represent them in sports. But then it beggars the question of whether it's a true clash of the clans if you don't have your whole clan with you to compete."
If one has to question how ethical something is, then there they should already know the answer. They shouldn't do it, when referring to kicking out members just because they want to win. In a way, that is being a little selfish. Because, if you win, you get the prize. You go back to your original clan and they didn't get the prize. Where's the loyality? Where's the teamwork?
In my eyes, I would not kick anybody out.
And about making a different team kind of like an All-Star team for your clan, I'm not sure. I think it is alright and okay to do, but I'll have to think on that oen some more.
"But then it beggars the question of whether it's a true clash of the clans if you don't have your whole clan with you to compete."
I agree. This is another point I've been trying to make. If it is supposed to be a clan tournament, then it should be done with your clan. If you saw someone from Team Fearless go to The Phantom Lords just because they wanted to win, you wouldn't nesscarily like their methods; because one would get the impression they are doing anything they can to win... even throwing their own clan "under the bus".
"Ultimately there is nothing fair about different sized teams competing against one another and that's why it's just not done in the real world. Clash of clans and clan ranking is something of a joke if you consider all the variables. A clan like Club White Bat is testament to just what a joke the whole thing really is."
Actually it is done in the real world. Smaller and larger teams play each other all the time in College and high school sports, and even professional sports; one can even include racing teams. Some racing teams, such as in Nascar, have a 4-car team. As several others only have a 1-car team. But just because a team only has one car, they have just as much of a chance at winning a race as the larger teams do, if they smaller team puts in the same amount of effort, work, and heart into their car as the larger teams do for several cars.
Take the NCAA Division I Tournament. The Butler Bulldogs are considered as a small school because they have under 6,000-7,000 students. The Butler Bulldogs made it to back-to-back Final Fours. The teams they beat include: UTEP Rank #12, Murray State Rank #13, Syracuse Rank #1, Kansas State Rank #2, and Michigan State Rank #5 inn the '09-'10 season. And in the next season beating: Old Dominion Rank #9, Pittsburgh Rank #1, Wisconsin Rank #4, Flordia Rank #2, and VCU Rank #11.
Of these 10 teams, Syracuse, Kansas State, Michigan State, Pittsburgh, Wisconsin, and Flordia are big name, big school teams. Yet Butler beat theam all in two seasons during the NCAA Tournament.
And they used the format for a tournament I wish SoD used. Even in this tournament, small teams/clans can beat big teams/clans. All they would have to do is put at least a little bit more work than the bigger team/clan and even a little bit more just to be on the safe side.
If the Clash of Clans tournament would just be like NCAA tournaments for Division I, II, and III, NFL playoffs, etc., any team has just as good of a chance at winning as any other team does. Their rank and size do not matter. The size of how much time, practice, work, effort, and heart does.
You seem to miss the point.
The main point why this comparison is nonsense because on the match equal teams are put against one another.
Still a nonsense comparison. A football team made of 30 people would easily win against a team of 11 without any kind of competition. This is what it would look like if the size of the clans wasnt taken out of the picture.
You seem to be missing my too.
A lower ranking clan should have just as good a chance at beating the number one ranking clan in the game. Even with the odds against them, if the tournament was done my way, if the smaller clan just simply earned more trophies than the other clan, then they would beat the larger clan.
Following is a true story: On my high school team, we played a team from Texas. We had 12 players... they only had 7. Who won? You'd think we did. But we didn't. The Texas team won. Because their coach continually rotated his players in and out so they would stay fresh. Our coach only used 9 of the 12 players he had and he only subed in players when they were really tired or for match up purposes. Btw, I was on of the 3 players my coach did not use.
Side note, I play in a group every week and I've scored 10+ points in the past two times I've gone in a row. I can contrubute to any team I play on. But it seems like coaches never respect my play and realize I am a good player.
Let me say this:
If I had 30 players on my team and the other team only had 11 and they earned more trophies than we did, then that would be fair because they just flat out out played us. If my team scored 28 points in a football game and the other team scored 29, even though they have fewer players on their team, they scored more points than we did and thus earned the win and get to move on.
What I would like to have in a tournament is this: If one clan earns one more trophy than the other clan does, then the clan that earned one more torphy than the other will move on.
If oOOMEGAOo earned 5,684 trophies (random number) and The Dragon Racers only earned 5,683 trophies, then by my idea of what a clan tournament should be, oOOMEGAOo should be able to move on.
But the whole idea of a comparision is to find the similarities between things. I was using a metaphor
Definition of a metaphor:
Metaphor is a figure of speech which makes an implicit, implied or hidden comparison between two things that are unrelated but share some common characteristics. In other words, a resemblance of two contradictory or different objects is made based on a single or some common characteristics.
The playoffs in the NFL is a tournament of 16 teams playing against each other for a title and a prize.
The NCAA Division I tournament has 64 teams playing against each other for a title and a prize.
Clash of Clans is a tournament in School of Dragons that has all clans playing against each other and then a Top 8 picked to match up and play for a title and a prize
All three are Tournaments.
All three have teams or clans playing against each other.
All three have a title and a prize for the Championship winning team or clan.
All three ranked the teams or clans.
All three have the teams play each other according to their rank.
All three are competitive competitions.
All three are supposed to bring the best out of the teams or clans
All three have winners and losers, but one ultimate winner who is crowned Champion.
All three have teams ranging in size.
All three can have upsets where a lower ranked or "smaller" team beat a higher ranked or "larger" team.
All three have a governing body that has rules and guidelines for the tournament.
Need I continue?
The NFL Playoffs, the NCAA Tournament (The reason why there is even a clan tournament in March because the NCAA Division I tournament starts next week), and the Clash of Clan tournament are all tournaments and has teams or clans competiting against each other. All share at least this in common and thus can be compared to each other.
That is the keyword right there. The smaller clan would need to do a ton more work to even stand a chance against the way larger clans. That is no competition because one clan starts out with enormous advantages and the other clan has to work it off somehow. No matter if they are more active than the large clan, the large clan will always keep its advantage.
Do you see the point now?
So basically, it is exactly as saying that a football team of 11 still stands a chance to win the match against a team of 30 if they just work harder. How is that a fair match to you?
Alright, I will try another way:
The point is to give everyone equal starting chances.
And please please PLEASE forget about the NFL. because in the match, equal number of players are playing against one another. In SoD, that does NOT work because the clans would need to have equal members. Understand this, please. This comparison is such a nonsense that I could scream. I will ignore this from now on because you apparently dont get it. Quit bringing this up. You cannot compare.
#15 Middle Tennessee VS #2 Michigan State
2016 NCAA Men's Division I Round of 64.
All intensive purposes, people would say, Michigan State should have won that game. But the Smaller school, the smaller team, out played, out shot, out worked the tougher more powerful team Michigan State.
Just because you are small, doesn't mean you can't knock off someone or something twice your size.
Look at Drew Brees and Russell Wilson. Both said were too short to play the Quarterback position, yet both have at least one Super Bowl win.
Size shouldn't matter.
Just because someone precives someone to be smaller in size or numbers, should be motivation to show them that you can beat them or your opponent. I'd take someone with effort, work, determination, heart over talent any day. Effort, work, determination, and heart can at least match anybody with talent.
And if you see in this year's NCAA tournament, more lower seeds have beaten the higher seeds in the first round this year than they have for a while.
Heart, effort, and work should.
Every time you tell someone that is short, not fast enough, not smart enough, not good enough... if that person really wants it, they will work to prove them wrong.
Heart, effort, and work does matter.
So if TDR got out worked by a clan that only has one player that earns trophies for the clan, then too shay to them. If they earned 6,001 trophies and we only earned 6,000 trophies, then too shay to them.
My whole arguement was that ooOMEGAoo had about 6,900 trophies at the start of the second round, My question is: "How many trophies did he have when the tournament started?"
For a fact, I know TDR earned at least 5,500 trophies in the opening round. If ooOMEGAoo started with 1,000 trophies or more, they did not earn more trophies then TDR did combined. Just to match our trophy count that I know TDR got, ooOMEGAoo would have to average 786 trophies a day to beat us. That is about 33 trophies an hour... non stop without sleeping. Since ooOMEGAoo would obviously have to stop to sleep and I guess at least 9 or so hours to sleep, then they would have to average 53 trophies an hour to beat us. But then taking in to consideration in addition to sleep, time to eat: 3 meals a day, maybe 3 hours: they would then have to average 66 trophies an hour. And then depending on how old they are, if they are in school, along with sleeping 9 hours, and eating supper for an hour, that would mean ooOMEGAoo would have to average over 100 trophies per hour, and could make up some time on Saturday and Sunday.
The average race for me ranges from a minute and 30 seconds to 2 minutes and 30 seconds. Let's just take 2 minutes as the average time for the average race. If they won every single race, that would be, 300 trophies in an hour. But no one wins every single race, if one does, then they are most likely a hacker. I consider myself a very good racer, but even I don't win every single race. So let's say they win half the time, that is 150 trophies for first place per hour and plus 75 trophies for second place per hour. That is a total of 225 trophies per hour. And then take into consideration that we even get third place some times and let's say they get third place one-fourth of the total time, second place another fourth of the total time, and then first place the last half of the total time. That is still 150 trophies per win per hour. Then that would be 39 trophies for second place per hour and then 15 trophies for third place per hour. Grand total of 204 trophies per hour and 1,632 trophies in 8 hours. But then there is on occasion that we are fourth and lose a trophy or leave a race because of something and lose five trophies and then the game freezes and we don't get any trophies. So taking that into consideration, that would be about 1,600 trophies in 8 hours. That would be 11,200 trophies in seven days.
But since ooOMEGAoo had only about 6,900 trophies at the start of the second round, ooOMEGAoo did not spend every single minute of those estimated 8 hours in game. Why? Because they probably had homework, if they have school, chores around the house, family time, family activities, activities they do on their own.
So taking all that into consideration now, that would probably be on average about 5 hours per day to play the game. Now that would vary each day because we aren't busy all the time. So if they had those five hours of non-stop play, then they would average (using the 204 trophies per hour because taking into consideration one doesn't win all the time) that would be 1,020 trophies per day and 7,140 trophies in a week.
Again, the 7,140 trophies surpasses the 6,900 trophies that ooOMEGAoo had at the start of the second round:
This proves again that ooOMEGAoo played less than 5 hours per day. Not by much, but less than five.
Now mathmatically, ooOMEGAoo could beat a single clan, by themselves in one week by the math I did above.
But physically, mentally, and being busy with everyday stuff, the odds go against them beating TDR all by themselves.
Yes, there is more than just him in the clan; however, only three other vikings have trophies... all three under 1,000 trophies and two of them under 300 trophies. So if they did in fact earn trophies to help ooOMEGAoo out, ooOMEGAoo should be neck and neck with the combined total of TDR.
Now, all this math is based on if TDR and xX Club White Bat Xx both start at zero trophies and whoever gets the most trophies wins. Shown by the math above, he could beat one clan all by himself.
But now knowing that the Clash of Clans tournaments are based on the averages per member of a clan (I only found that out by going way back into the forum, through looking up old Clash of Clans pics on Google Images) the fewer members you have in a clan, the better you will be. The math of that greatly increases the chances of xX White Club Bat Xx moving on. But greatly decreases TDR's chances of moving on.
I'm not saying it is impossible for ooOMEGAoo or any other single player to carry an entire clan, mathmatically it is possible. I'm just questioning the physical and mental part of playing for that amount of time as well as how many trophies did ooOMEGAoo start with the tournament. Because the closer their starting total gets to the 6,900 trophy total they ended up with, the bigger my argument will become.
But if they didn't earn more trophies as a whole than TDR did, but still get to move, I don't think that is fair.
However, according to the rules of the first Clash of Clans tournament that I found, the tournament is based on averages to number of members. If they would have said that before this tournament this year, TDR would have known what we were up against and would have worked that much more to win.
The communication between admins and players, was I think little lacking on the specifics of the rules regarding the Clash of Clans tournament.
Equal starting positions:
In basketball each team starts out with zero points.
In basketball each team varies in size, reputation, and power and skill.
Each team, whether big or small, high rank or not ranked, has just as good a chance at beating the other team as the other team has beating them.
By not telling the clans in advance that Clash of Clans would still be run the same as the first one, it would be like telling Middle Tennessee: "Because you are a 15th seed and you beat Michigan State by scoring more points than they did which Mighigan State is a 2nd seed, will will have Michigan State moving on and you will have to leave. Michigan State has the better talent and reputation of going further in the tournament than you, Middle Tennessee has. So you will not be moving on."
But Middle Tennessee scored more points than Michigan State did. Middle Tennessee won by 9 points. How would it be fair to Middle Tennessee to tell them, even though you scored more points than Michigan State did, Michigan State gets to move on.
If the roles were reversed and Michigan State won by 9 and the NCAA told Michigan State, "Because you are the bigger school and have more talent than Middle Tennessee, Middle Tennessee gets to move on to be fair to them because Middle Tennessee is the lower seed, the smaller school, and does not have as much talent as you do. Also, Michgan State, you have won enough, time to let the smaller school win."
I could just imagine that everybody that just even likes basketball would be irate at this.
Having a tournament like Clash of Clans on the cover looks like it is being fair to everyone because a low ranking clan go in the tournament. But when you look deeper into that TDR, Snow Leopards, Flame Wings, The DawnBreakers, etc., are average clans but were over looked because there had too many members? How in the world is this fair to them? If the whole point is to be fair to every single clan, the only possible way to do that is to just let who ever earns the most trophies wins and moves on. The NCAA has done that since the beginning, and yet still smaller schools and lower seeds still win in the tournament. Google "11th ranked george mason final four" and then tell me a lower ranked school, a smaller team cannot win in a tournament where it is just whoever scores the most points wins. Then Google "butler basketball two final four runs" and tell me a small school, a lower ranked team cannot win in a tournament like this.
In tournaments like this, it is the team who wants to win more and does all the little things right as well as the big things right, is the team who will be victorious.