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Stop saying the dragons are lazily done. It's NOT true. The first week of july i got to go to comic con and talk to one of the game designers and ask questions about the game, get spoilers (WHICH IM NOT SHARING ANYMORE AND NO ONE THAT I"VE TOLD THEM TO MAY TELL ANYONE), and suggest things. One of the questions i asked was the reused animations. The game designer said that they are pushed by both us and the game producers to get the dragons out EVERY TWO WEEKS. if you want a better quality dragon, DONT RUSH THE GAME DESIGNERS. Seriously, if you want a good looking dragons with it's own animation every single time its released it wont be every 2 weeks. AND STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE DRAGONS THEY CREATE. Have you ever tried to make a dragon? Do you have any idea how hard it is? Its hard, especeially when its your job. 

I'd also like to straighten one thing out, the forum admins are not game designers so stop blaming them for the "crappy" looking dragons.

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I completly agree!

I agree with you 100%, i wouldnt mind waiting more than two weeks to get a well made dragon instead of a rushed one just for the sake of it.

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And another note, the game

And another note, the game designers look on the forum.

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agreed when the grapple grounder came and some other dragons (i only joined this game and forum when the fireworm queen came out so) anyway people were awlays complaining about the model and the look bring on the quotes "THIS IS NOT A GRAPPLE GROUNDER" "the admins are lazy" and stuff like that so we are rushing the game creators thats why we have no dragon with new animation and in a way the grapple hgrounder kinda has a new animation.

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Reminds Me!

Reminds me, when the time when people desperately wanted a Stormcutter and complained nearly every day about it and some even said they will stop playing SoD if they don't release the Stormcutter, and then they end up with something they start complaining about to say they don't like it.

Besides the Grapple Grounder that many people complained about, was indeed correct. It's just the RoB Model of the Grapple Grounder, the HTTYD Game Grapple Grounder was what everyone really wanted.

Also, Lucky! I would've wanted to Ask some Questions as well, the only time when we got Questions Answered was around time when the Stormcutter was Released.

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Subject says it all.

I just think that some people expect perfection, and when they don't get it, they complain. That's pretty much all that's going on here.

I guess people don't realize how hard it is to make a game like this.

And just another note:

I want the devs and admins to know that they're amazing, and deserve a lot of credit. We wouldn't have the amazing game without them! Thank you! :)

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This is why I never want to rush game designers. I know how hard it is to make one good game. Rushed games often turned into something really really bad, like the Sonic '06 disaster.
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This quote says everything:
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So, my point is that if we rush game designers, we're pushing them to make bad contents.

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May as well give my thoughts on this...

I agree that the forum admins shouldn't be the ones to blame for such content, as they're pretty much the messengers of the SoD team.

 

One thing that really annoys me is when people demand the devs to add a certain dragon to the game, and when they're finally released, they constantly complain and moan about it. *Cough*Stormcutters*Cough* Sure, it's alright if someone doesn't like how a certain dragon looks ingame, but at least give them some tips on how to improve, rather than things like "Omg this sucks, the devs r so lazy!"

Since a lot of members of the SoD community rush the devs to release new dragons, they usually end up looking low-quality, which is exactly why I never try to rush game developers. Seriously, if people want better quality dragons, give the game devs some more time to work on them instead of demanding them to release it as quickly as possible.

 

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Ya I agree that people are often too mean. If people didn't push them too h.ard for stuff the programers might actully have time to fix some glitchis better too. I actully bought a grapple grounder just because people were being so mean about it. There is a diffrence between constructive crittisism and just being rude and people crossed that line the day the grapple grounder came out. 

By the way when I said I bought a grapple grounder because of this I was dead seereus. Here he is.

This is Gairy. He is a very very light red so that in some lights he even turns pink. XD 

He may not be the vertion of the grapple grounder that people expected but I like him. :3

(To the progamer's credit this is the cannon vertion. Blame that other game for this desine not SOD)

 

 

 

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ya know even if everyone said

ya know even if everyone said take your time they still won't because the two week rush isnt entirely the forums 

its the people RUNNING the game 

 

would you rather possibly make a little money to make them happier once in a blue moon or make a ton by rushing and releseing them periodicly and ignoreing anyone who is unhappy

they are not in the MMO buisness to make art or make a ton of people happy they are in it to make money they don't care if we arent happy they are a cororation designed to make money so telling us this saddly is close to uselss because it changes nothing

rush them = its rushed

dont rusht hem = its rushed

 

but it probably isnt the ADMINS fault 

but when no one gets any customer support and people are beggin them for help and they are no where to be seen THEN you call them out but the admins arent the dudes incharge they are the ones who ignore people asking for customer support 

no one here is 100% innocent, not even us 

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We didn't tell them to

We didn't tell them to release dragons every 2 weeks. They chose that.

 

If they released a dragon every month or so, the dragons wouldn't look so horrible or have the same boring animation.

 

I actually  quit SOD because of that - the dragons are terrible. I was excited when Skrills and Scauldrons came out, but now all the dragons just look so... fake. I still go on sometimes, but it's only once or twice a month. Quality over quantity, guys.

 

And it's their fault. They don't care about how good the new dragons look, they just want to create them as fast as they can to make a few quick $.

 

 

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That is kind of the point of a business... to make money by reducing costs and maximizing income.

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I agree with you for the most

I agree with you for the most part, but just one thing -

 

Most of us have agreed that we'd like the admins to take MORE than 2 weeks per dragon. Perhaps a while ago we pushed, but now any time someone brings this up, it's a unanimous decision that we'd all like longer than 2 weeks spent on a dragon.

 

I rarely see pushing around here anymore. I did back when Stormcutters weren't around, and honestly, after that mess, I don't think I ever have again.

 

Honestly, to me that response isn't valid anymore. 99% of us are OKAY with longer wait times. Perhaps we aren't getting that out there? We should be because every single time I see a post like this, most of the comments say;

 

"I'd rather wait a month for a GOOD dragon than 2 weeks on a scrappy one." Or some iteration of that.

 

I agree with the rest, but nobody's pushing anything anymore. I'm willing to wait, and honestly, the dragon released today is 100% an improvement from the Mudraker and Moldruffle, which means progress is happening. 

 

Now, if the PRODUCERS are saying that they need to only take two weeks - the developers need to speak with them about it, or perhaps we should be finding a way to contact the producers and cut our developers some slack. There's no way a dragon can be made efficiently in two weeks, and we all know that now. 

 

 

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you know the mudraker isn't

you know the mudraker isn't so bad it has way more on the mold ruffle then at first glance 

 

they are unique in markings and don't just use the skrills

while their animation is the skrill it has modifications and looks much better because of it

it has its own ability (the moldruffle just has the nightmares ability)

in my opinion the mudraker (while it being released RIGHT after the moldfury is kinda dumb) has more effort and thought put into it and dose not deserve ALL the hate it gets and people should direct their attention to the moldruffle

 

 

the reason i don't like snafflefangs or moldruffles is because they bring nothing new to the world of dragons

the snafflefang is basically a gronkle and the gronkle is a more interesting better designed dragon 

 

and the moldruffle is pretty much 

snafflefang body

skrill markings on the wings 

typhoomarangs ability 

nightfuries personality (it has catlike qualities -_-) and "speed" (they called them aerodynamic LOL)

scauldrons tail

its less of a new dragon and more a of a Frankenstein 

 

 

now the newest one looks kind like atideglider and looks nothing like its book kin 

but just this once im gonna excuse accuracy because............THAT

and i don't just mean in looks alone (though.....) i mean in personality to because

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Prickleboggles are a tiny species of Nanodragon. They are so very, very stupid. This one can't remember: Does he eat the ant or does the ant eat him?

truly a amazing creature worthy of the title, dragon!

 

so just this once I think it was the right move to make some changes

 

plus the new ones have cool tails and really nice markings and their personalizes arent really anywhere because the ingame dragons have no personality so I don't have much to say about them

 

if they wanted to they could really go all out on a SoD dragon if they tried so lets sit here and hope they give the designers some more coffee and that will make a improvement and makes something really cool because im ok with them making new ones as long as they are good 

 

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Eh, I don't really like

Eh, I don't really like either, I just give the Moldruffle and Mudraker the same amount of dislike. While there are things I like about both of them, it's not enough to get me to all around approve of them. But I do see your point. Sometimes I like one or the other, but I barely see them as separate dragons at this point.

 

Oh dear lord I'm happy our Prickleboggles don't look like that o_o. How terrifying. 

 

The coffee solution may work but - hear me out here - what about those caffeine patches from Meet the Robinsons?

 

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The prickleboggle wasn't even

The prickleboggle wasn't even suppose to be named that but the name they originally chose wasn't legally aproved. (I think it was suppose to be nettlewing is what the designer told me) so they when with one from the books. I'm not saying this in defense of the prickleboggle IG im saying this so you know that it's not from the books

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The thing is that a majority of the players are not on the forums, and a majority of those are children. Children have never been known to be patient, especially when a schedule is set up that is typically followed. Along with their impatience, children are known for their excessive use of hyperbole in everyday life and are very willing to describe anything in their way. if the main target audience of a game is disappointed and begins reviewing it with "my god its been ages since a new dragon came out, and it is so horrible and it constantly sucks don't even try this game because it is absolutely sucky!!! This one pixel looks bad so that means the whole game is bad don't play it!1!!1!" that will severely hinder the game. So although we older and/or more mature audience members have the ability and willingness to wait more for the new dragons with new animations the main income of this game does not want to. and as a company in a world run by money it is impossible to do that.

 

It also doesnt help that many of us on the forums voice complaints without the constructive criticism which may help the game. There is plenty of constructive remarks, but that is usually buried under 15-20 "this dragon doesnt look exactly like what I pictured thus you guys are all lazy". Unfortunately there arent many (if any) professional programmers on the forums which can somewhat assist the developers by recommending "use a bleghblegh in order to cut the risk of bugs from the blegh^7 blegh blegh blegh" via PMs.

 

Perhaps if the Forums uses Nice constructive remarks rather than complaints masking as constructive criticism that may make the new dragons slightly better, because that is really the most we can do 

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Many of the dragons latley

Many of the dragons latley HAVE been lazily done. I'm sorry, but it's just fact. They might have been rushed, but there was no effort put into a few of them. Quite a few, actually. I understand that we don't need new dragons every 2 weeks, and I do not rush the designers or the admins to tell the designers. Take the grapple Grounder for example. There were many things wrong with that. It wasn't at all what it should have been, and there are a few dragons I think deserve a makeover. Please do not take offense to my comment. I'm not argueing. It's just that the statement you made was simply not factual.

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Sir Lancelot (my Razorwhip) in bouncie form! Thanks, Defy

Daydream (my Deathsong) in bouncie form! Thanks, Defy!

 

Pinsel the Creepy Clown by DuskDaybreak! WORDS CANNOT DESCRIBE MY THANKS.

 

 

 

 

 

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I do feel really bad for the

I do feel really bad for the game designers, too. They are rushed as well as the Admins, and I need to remember that now and then. It is their job though, and even if it's hard it does not dismis the fact that they need to do the job... (I don't want to say right) the best they can. I do not think they're doing the best they can, because if they were then each dragon would have it's own animation (and not Toothless' like all the time) and would have that good quality like the dragons back when the game was at it's best. I apologise if I offended anyone. 

 

Yes, I still think the dragons are lazily done, but also hurriedly done. 

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I dont want to argue, but the work that has been done on the dragons was not lazy. 

The grapple grounder seems to be a sore point for every forum user, and it is deemed as the laziest creation yet, but they were not lazy. The Devs gave us a completed dragon in terms of appearance and modified two animations in order for it to almost fit. I'm assuming that the Devs attempted to create an animation for the grapple grounder and used the one it has now because any other ones just didnt fit or caused the game to bug out more. 

The grapple grounder was not the Xbox/wii/ds version but the most recent version of the dragon, that is literally it. All the spam and hate was because it was not the "original." Literally the dragon that was made was a grapple grounder, plain and simple. If it was a big chunky thing there would have only been minor complaints about how its animation was toothless and it would have ended there. Now there are people saying that the developers and Admins are Lazy because they didnt want the more probable version. They wanted one based on a very messed up, very uncontinuous game that was made in a rush (without need) in order for the game company to make money. 

 

The OP's comment was completely factual. They stated that the devs are rushed and are forced to push out content that is sub par due to pressure from the consumers and from their bosses.

 

Every dragon needs a make over, if anything constructive is to come out of that, perhaps you should voice what can be changed/ modified for it to work better. For example, the eyes of a monstrous nightmare should point foward more, in order to eliminate the "dopey" look. pretty much every dragon should have skrill style hover, excluding the gronckle, hotburple and mudraker. The rumblehorn can probably get a modified animation combining the gronckle's run with toothless' head bob, tail motion, and wing placement on land for it to be more stocky, and a change of idle animation would be appreciated; perhaps make it appear to sniff would be an alternative to toothless' pounce. The Moldruffle should have something to make it stand out, perhaps make it claw at the ground and look there every so often to give it more character. Please fix the wings on skrill animation when it fires, it looks terrifying. The zippleback's neck joints  need to be revised since they seem to merge with themselves. Give G.G. animated dragons a simple zippleback sit with the scauldron head movement, it would look much more natural than the current candy cane neck, etc. This helps minimize the workload of the team by giving them specific things to look at and modify rather than simply say there needs to be a change.

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I agree. Thank you for

I agree. Thank you for sharing your opinion. You voiced yourself in a way that did not feel like an argument, and I thank you for that. :)

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I think complaints about some
I think complaints about some previously released dragons are valid. There have been some serious QC issues with things like the Grapple Grounder. Since that disaster, however, the team have released dragons that were clearly done with extreme care and I would like to commend them on that. I do feel that our messages are getting through in some areas. Other areas are probably a bit more difficult to address. I notice a lot of positive changes in the game, actually, even if it is just little things like being able to fly out of water instead of having to swim aaaaalll the way to the shore whenever you accidentally fall in. Sure, some security issues and major glitches are still a concern, but I have a feeling we might not be able to appreciate what might be involved in addressing those sorts of things. 
 
I have not actually seen anyone complain about how the Prickleboggle looks and the recycled animation complaint is fairly valid and raised with every dragon release. This game has been out for a while and yet every attempt is made to reuse animation - whether directly or by combining different parts of dragons animation like Toothless body and Raincutter necka nd head. The original animations that have been done recently have beem... seriously scary. The head-shaking thing the mudraker does is the stuff of nightmares.
 
However. The raincutter animation works perfectly for the Pricklboggle and so I do not personally feel is an issue nor have I seen anyone else complain beyond, "Meh, something new would be cool, but whatever." What I have taken issue with is dragons designs being drastically modified for the sole purpose of being able to reuse animation cycles. Shock Jaw, Shivertooth. Grapple Grounder was apparently used from RoB, so I can't comment on that, but the choice of animation cycles was awful for its design. The sliquifier uses basically the same combination of animation cycles and yet doesn't look nearly as awkward.
 
I think any ire people have for the new dragon is based on them being rabidly obsessed with the Death Song and Razorwhip as well as feeling entitled to a new expansion pack. An expansion pack that, as far as I understand, never actually had a release date announced by the admins. If I recall correctly, there is only an article published on the internet which may have taken liberties with the information it was given.
 
I personally am tired of new dragons and want something REALLY new... but meh. I would take just having the glitches in my game fixed, to..
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And this is me not caring to

And this is me not caring to fix any of those typoes so HA. 

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When you can't keep apart which dragon is which due to continuous model and animation recycling, then yes, it's safe to say that the devs are getting lazy. You can keep going on about how "amazing" the SoD team is, but when you're a paying member to this game, it's not very great (not even getting into customer service response time, glitches, hackers, etc).

 

Here's a list of some dragons that I have trouble differentiating between: 

 

Toothless clones (Sand Wraith/Wooly Howl)

Moldruffle and Mudrakers

The Snafflefang clones

 

I have no doubt there's more, but I haven't been following the updates closely enough to know which exactly.

 

SoD is just not the same anymore.

 

The first few dragons looked wonderful. Each had  its own unique animation and look. The quality has gone downhill since then. Is SoD really worth playing anymore? Who would waste their money on a game that doesn't even look like it's past its beta version?

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You know the woolly howl and sand wraith were suppossed to look like toothless right? like that's exactky their design in RoB. Everyone wanted a sand wraith because it looked like a night fury, especially if they painted it all black. it becomes a non member night fury. Plus those dragons really deserve a night fury animation seeing as they share the exact same body type.

 

And the moldruffle and the mudraker are the Snafflefang clones. The mudraker actually being a pretty cool dragon when you actually raise it.

 

are there things that could be updated, yes. The Devs are people, they are adults with lives and families that to jumpstart can easily be replaced by anyone so they have to listen in order to keep their job. Lazy would be if they just stopped producing anything because they are tired or dont want to. When they are limited in time and a much larger company which forces them to constantly make dragons then that is not lazy. And you're right, SoD isnt the same anymore. Its changed in order to better fit into the lives of its target audience. the old school got boring unless you devoted hours on end practicing how to race because that was practically the only thing to do, (of course it is nearly impossible to win when there are people who could literally count their breaths and know where to turn with that. so many people became less interested in racing, especially since it was the same track over and over. how exciting. yes. let me go in a circle that i know im gonna lose. that sounds like a very enticing thing. so the devs changed it. 

 

I wonder how long did the Devs have to make each of the main dragons, because undoubtedly there was a lot more time to create the main dragons than they have now. And there were a lot less people playing back then which of course makes MMOs run a lot smoother. The crew are pretty amazing people with what they have to deal with from both their higher ups and the consumers. could there be changes, yes. are they likely to happen, probably not... not because they are lazy but due to a myriad of constraints placed on these individuals

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I forgot the Hobblegrunt

I forgot the Hobblegrunt clones (Raincutter and now Prickleboggle). What I'm saying is, it's very hard to keep them all apart because they are literally all "recycled" dragons.

 

The devs are people with lives, sure, but so is everyone else. That's not an excuse. How it did the game change to better "fit into the lives of the target audience?" You say the old school got boring, but what has changed in regards to the "new school?" They added Fireball Frenzy and Icestorm Island, sure, but there's still nothing to do on this game once you finish all your quests. 

 

As a paying member, I'm just telling it how I see it. If you're happy with how this game currently is that's fine. I'm just saying I'm not. A lot of people aren't.  

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Yes, yes, YES! I agree

Yes, yes, YES! I agree +10000000000000000000000000! Everyone is saying that all the new dragons are crappy, and it isn't the Game Designers' or Admins' fault, it's ours. I say we stop requesting dragons, and just let the company do their thing!

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i guess its introduction time. i'm nightatom, but you can just call me night or wendigo. i'm a pretty shy person and i'm not good at communicating, but at the same time i love talking to friends. i draw a lot, and have been a fan of the HTTYD franchise since the first movie came out! 

 

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