Lethality of the Speed Stingers Sting

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|disclaimer: I have minimal medical/muscular knowledge and this is mostly presumptions and guesses + grade 11 biology knowledge|

If you have even basic knowledge of Speed Stingers, you’d know that their sting renders victims paralysed. It seems pretty harmless in the long run, as long as you have some defence until it wears off, but it would actually be excruciatingly painful and quite damaging to the body

Pretty much, to freeze a part of the body, you have to make the muscles lock up. Anyone who has had the misfortune of having their leg or foot cramp up knows that it hurts like all h.ell and is sore for hours to days afterwards. Speed Stingers do that, but to the whole body. Additionally it does it so severely that you can’t move at all.

To begin with, this would be so incredibly painful you’d likely pass out just to try and get through it. You wouldn’t be able to think, you’d have a hard time breathing and the heat generated from that would be equivalent to a high fever.

Afterwards, your muscles would have gotten countless micro tears, and maybe even full sized tears. Now you potentially have permanent muscle damage, internal bleeding and a number of other issues. The pain would persist for weeks, and parts of the body may never recover.

However; my issue with the Speed Stinger is how quickly the venom takes effect- it’s almost instant across the entire body. Now blood doesn’t travel that quickly, and there’s not many other body-wide fluids that do travel at high speeds. So I think that the venom uses the nervous system.

One way it could do this is by essentially hijacking the brain and telling it to make every muscle tense up. Whether it tricks the brain, overrides its control or whatever other way is possible, that would be the only way that I can think of that it could act so quickly.

So better educated people, what do you think? And those who are on the same page as me, does this seem feasible?

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sounds about right, a lot of

sounds about right, a lot of the dragons would be way scarier if this wasn't a cartoon

but luckily for everyone who has been stung by the speed stinger this franchise has taken some artistic license with...almost everything, dragons flying, mind control, algae that instantly makes your whole body glow once you eat it, and the list goes on

 

but the real moral of the story from this seems to be:

bring a speedstinger along with you on your adventures NONE WOULD DARE TO OPPOSE YOU!

as  your mighty large flier flies above raining fire,frost, lighting, MORE STUN POISON upon your enemies, they would flee in terror from the mere sight of the agony raptor!

 

don't run, it can catch you, don't climb, it can jump 20 feet, don't scream,

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Succinylcholine?

paralytic shellfish poisoning?

hyperkalemia?

 

Assuming they don't stop your breathing, these things can paralyze quickly and wear off on their own. Not painful as paralysis is your muscles not working, not spazzing and contracting which is painful, though can have other side effects. Hyperkalemia can make you feel like trash.

 

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Ziggy

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          A skrill that Hypergoof found injured while dragon watching. Her success in helping him helped her get the job she currently has and also built up a friendship between Hypergoof and Ziggy. It probably helped that Ziggy is not a very old skrill, only having just left his parents, before somehow getting hurt. Much like a cat Ziggy tries to be more dignified than he really is. One moment showing off his impressive wingspan with a majestic yawn and the next he's off chaiseing a light or a leaf when he thinks no one is looking. He often roles his eyes when Hypergoof playfully teases him by saying his name in a funny pitch or calling him "The Zigster" but a poorly hidden grin betrays the fact that he doesn't mind as much as he lets on. Ziggy is decently friendly to most people who don't insult his dignity (only his close friends are allowed to do that) but he is still technically a wild skrill. He spends most of his time off chaising storms and doing whatever else wild skrills do only he stops by every once in a while to visit Hypergoof. Manny people wonder why he keeps coming back as he always seems more annoyed with Hypergoof than anything but it is just a mask. A false front. He secretly really enjoys her company. In fact perhaps Hypergoof's absurdity amuses him. FUN FACT: Before meeting Ziggy it was Hypergoof's life dream to see a live skrill. (Partly her Berserker heritage) For her meeting Ziggy was akin to meeting a celebrity. Of course things got more normal between them as they got to know each other but Hypergoof is still pretty darn proud that a skrill let her be his friend.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Causemoe

(Knows the owner of this house hates it when he sits there)

           A young flightmare who was one of Ziggy's friends then also became Hypergoof's friend when Ziggy brought him to Berk. Unlike Ziggy though, Causemoe decided that he liked Berk and the school so much that he would stay. He is a complete showoff and loves to be the center of attention. He can get huffy if he finds someone who does one of his favorite things better than him. He especially hates it that Wanda can glow brighter than him. She often tones down her glow when she's near him to spare his feelings.

 

 

 

 

 

Wanda

(Knows the best places for the best view)

         As mentioned before, Hypergoof is scared of stoker class dragons. When approached by a fireworm her normal reaction is to flip out as if the little dragon was a bee. Wanda however is an exception to this rule and not only is she a fireworm but she is a fireworm queen. Hypergoof once got herself lost in a snowstorm and was found by one of Wanda's workers unconscious and soon to freeze if something wasn't done. Wanda is a very empathetic dragon. Even though she didn't trust humans she didn't want to see a helpless creacher d.ie in such a way. She took Hypergoof into her nest to warm up. Hypergoof was stuck there for several days not knowing which way was home until Cuteseepie tracked her down by scent and took her back to the village. During Hypergoof's time in the nest Wanda decided she liked this little human. Hypergoof was terrified of most of Wanda's children and since Wanda didn't understand Norse yet Hypergoof communicated her unease by sticking as close to the fireworm queen as she would allow. Purposely mimicking the bodylanguig of a scared puppy to get her point across. Wanda was sympathetic of Hypergoof's fear and allowed the little human to stay near. Keeping the meaner members of her family at bay until Cuteseepie could find the lost viking. Wanda was a bit suprized to find that a dragon was the one looking for the girl. She has a healthy dose of curiosity in her and often visits Berk for "research purposes" as she calls it. Wanda is curious about humans and wants to learn about them. Hypergoof is grateful to Wanda for her kindness and will come when she calls. Something Wanda finds amusing but also gives her an easy target to study. Personalitywise Wanda is the type of person one might have a fancy tea party with. She is every bit a queen but is also an intellectual with a kind heart. She hangs around Berk to study the uneeq human and dragon interactions there. Seeking how to possibly spread that type of friendship for the good of dragon kind.

 

 

 

 

 

Burpetta

(Wonders if she'd get in trouble for blasting me into the water behind the camera)

          A pink thunderdrum who someone in the dragon rehab center found as a baby then dumped on Hypergoof since no one wanted to deal with the hatchling. Their relationship started out terribly due to Hypergoof's sound sensitivity. In the beginning Hypergoof could barely stand Burpetta but eventually the dragon realized that her loudness has hurting the human and learned to be more gentle with Hypergoof's delicate ears. Sometimes Burpetta can be careless but she never means any harm and will correct her behavior when she eventually realizes she did wrong. She is kind by nature but loves a bit of mischief now and then. She also has a bit of the stubbornness common in her breed. Once she sets her mind to something it is difficult to convince her otherwise.

 

 

 

 

Chomp

(Sleeping like the baby he is)

            A screaming death. He is the baby of the group despite being the biggest member of it. When Alven found out that one of the eggs he'd planted under Berk had hatched a screaming death he decided he wanted such a beast for himself. He knew he couldn't capture the adult so he decided to get his hands on a hatchling. He captured a bunch of the successful breeding pair's family members in the hopes that more of them would carry the incredibly rare screaming death gene. The captive dragons were force bread and after many many attempts Alven got what he wanted. He didn't get to keep it though as a couple Hooligans who had snuck into Alven's hideout looking for helpful info about future plans found the baby screaming death instead. They took it back to Berk to figure out what to do with it. Several people wanted to kill the little guy before he could grow into an island eater but Hypergoof over heard and was horrified. She knew what it felt like to be disliked for what she was rather than who she was. Some people didn't trust her because she was a Berserker. She knew it wasn't fair to judge someone that way. She stole Chomp and (With Wiggles and Termite's permission) hid him down Wiggles's tunnels. Wiggles didn't mind and enjoyed having a roommate to play with. Chomp stayed there unknown until his loudness and the sheer amount of food being brought down there gave him away. By then though he was old enough that he had enough personality to proved him a gentle giant rather than a monster and he was allowed to stay. He is not at all a full grown screaming death and has the personality of a giant toddler. He is surprisingly gentle especially considering his breed. He is so mild tempered that he will stare blankly at fire trolls wondering what they are doing. He will only engage if he thinks it's a game. Despite his gentleness his size and strength can be a problem. He will occasionally knock someone over with his tail by accident then stare at them in confusion not smart enough to understand why the person fell but knowing it was still somehow his fault. When other screaming deaths were allowed into the school Chomp was thrilled to have playmates his size. Chomp is very much still a baby mindwise. He is very food oreeinted and can be prompted to do nearly anything for a snack. It's a very good thing he doesn't consider humans food. It's hard to imagine that he could ever be related to the screaming death who once tried to eat Berk but he is. The danjoris one happens to be his somewhat distant uncle. Fun fact: Hypergoof often refers to Chomp's uncle as Mr. Island munch and insists that she will continue to do so until his actual name is found out or created.

 

 

 

 

 

Punaluu

(LOVES sand)

(I really shouldn't be suprized)

            A female sand wraith. Punaluu comes from a subspeasys of sand wraith on a volcanic island with black sand. (Like the beach Punaluu is named after.) As such they adapted to the environment by becoming black. A side affect of this is that now the subspeacys looks even more like a nightfurry than the normal ones. Some money hungry showmen found out about them and decided to make a quick buck. They stoll an egg from this island and paraded the black hatchling around claiming it to be a nightfurry. This charade ended when they made the mistake of bringing their show to Berk. Seeing that the dragon was being treated badly the Hooligans took the baby from the showmen and took it to the dragon rehabilitation center for treatment for whip wounds and malnutrition. Punaluu is much healthier now and is a happy energetic young sand wraith. One problem she has is that her dark coloring is only designed for a certain type of area and she can not camouflage most of the time because of it. Not being able to hide occasionally gives her episodes of anxiety but a quick trip to a beach ushuly fixes it. She is very shy around strangers but around those she knows she is a complete goof. She can also be a bit naughty. Sometimes she feels out of place like she doesn't belong and so interacts well with Hypergoof who doesn't fit in all that well ether.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Reminds me of Strychnine

 

Muscle convulsions, tensing etc is usually indeed caused by a little brain mess-up, worse than a foot cramps since you can easily get rid of those. I wouldn't say that muscle tensions because of some venom and cramps would be the same. Cramps can usually be fixed by using the antagonistic muscle that's relevant to the cramped one., wheras venom--- good luck!

 

You'd definitely think that speed stinger venom should be doing something funny with the brain. The nervous system idea sounds pretty spot-on and is something I was thinking of as well. It's fast, it's dangerous, and electrical interference usually messes up the brain pretty good. I might go as far as saying that speed stinger venom isn't as venom-y as they say it is, and rather some form of awful shock-therapy. Short-circuiting something in the brain. Then again, this would mean that the speed stinger is incredibly intelligent due to the fact that it can localize arms and legs as they are mapped in the brain and know exactly what to sting, or it's just random. ...Electrotherapy!

 

If it's really venom- uhh... I'm not sure if I know anything about muscle-tensing venoms apart from strychnine (which isn't a venom, anyway). I also don't think the muscle tension has to hurt per sé, unless you try to force yourself through it, akin to trying to walk on a sleeping foot and ending up breaking it. Not sure how a venom would cause the effect the moment it's applied. Stuff goes fast, but not that fast. You can still do something about a nasty snake bite, if you're fast. Brain stuff sounds good, but it just doesn't make sense with HOW the speed stinger stings- unless it somehow catches all sorts of nerves that make their way to the brain, and then mess up what there is to mess up. Like an electric jolt that overloads the source, somehow!

 

The muscle lockups actually remind me of rigor mortis somehow, now I think of it. Had something to do with oxygen and it's a sign of decay, so I doubt the speed stinger's effect is all that similar to it.

 

I think we can all agree on "it doesn't make sense anyway, because it's fake" but it's fun to think about. Trying to make sense of creatures that otherwise make none is fun.

 

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But muscle paralysis and

But muscle paralysis and muscle tensing/cramping are different things.

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Well, technically, paralysis is associated with the nervous system.  the venom is, therefore, a neurotoxin.  it doesn't necessarily hijack the brain, it rather disrupts the nerves from functioning and sending the signals.  the Speed Stinger toxin seems to target (in terms of what it shuts off) the main movement-accociated nerves, not the vitals.  however, this can be thought about in the way of Dilophosaurus sequoyah, the Jurassic Park Dilophosaurus.  it's spit venom is shot at the eyes, and causes "blindness, and eventually paralysis".  It is definately made for killing (unless, as in my Son of Wolf series, there is a second, more powerful bite venom and the spit venom is for initial sedation and confusion, allowing the inevitable pounce to later occur), and thus it is coded to target the shut-off of the nervous system all together, and the blindness is the first effect.  it then causes restriction of nerve movement down to the body, and eventually will spread (potentially) to reach the vitals-the heart, lungs, and maybe even the brain. 

 

I think the worse part about speed stinger venom is actually not the paralysis, but the stinger.  that spike is huge!  if it hits the right location, and especially on a small enough crature, it can actually kill just by spearing its victim.  

 

But nerve signals travel EXTREMELY fast, as they are electrical charges (forgot the proper word).  The neurotoxin of the venom would spread very fast, especially if very strong.  a strong enough neurotoxin would simply euthinize the victim, as in the bite venom of Dilophosaurus sequoyah in the Son of Wolf series.

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Okay, how about Speed stinger

Okay, how about Speed stinger toxin being related to the Botulism toxin (evidently there's different kinds) or Succinylcholine? Both are muscle relaxants with quick onset and wear off. Both are used medicinally. Muscle relaxants would not be painful, as the muscle is relaxing, not contracting. Botulism toxin works locally around the injection site. Succinylcholine does not act on the cardia muscle (but can effect breathing). Obviously both have side effects in RL, but hey, we can pretend the Speed Stinger's version doesn't have any side effects!

 

If I remember the Speed Stinger episodes correctly, when they are stung, it only works on the area of the body near the sting, right?

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Young speed stinger stings work only on the area stung and make that part all floppy. Adult speed stingers freeze the whole victim as stiff as a statue.

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Ahh, okay, then perhaps a

Ahh, okay, then perhaps a Succynylcholine related-compound that miraculously doesn't affect the muscles used in breathing ...

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The only time where the sting

The only time where the sting affected a part of the body was with a young one. Adult Stingers do affect the entire body, but it isn't as potent in younger individuals. Making a venom/substance like that would be very resource intensive.