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Question: If a fire-breathing dragon mates with an ice-breathing dragon, would their offspring breathe fire or ice? Is it possible to have both?

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I'm going to answer this very scientificly and also cuz I don't really even think a hybrid between two completely different types of dragons is possible. So I guess it might depend on the type of gene it has. If it has a dominant gene or two(idk i forgot the name of the other type of gene) smaller genes. It may also depend on what type of dragon and its place near other dragons i.e. dramillion being cousins of the changewing. Really this is all theoretical, I mean wwere talking about DRAGONS soooooo...

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I'm sure related species can produce hybrids ^^ I'm just wondering if the offspring would breathe fire or ice or both (Ex: Woolly Howl x Sand Wraith or Night Fury, Snifflehunch x Windgnasher, Hobblegrunt x Prickleboggle).

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So, at least as far as I know, all the hatchlings would be different. Some would breathe ice, some fire, and some both!

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Would be cool to have hatchlings with different breath weapons! And a little destructive... XD

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It might just mess up the organ that produces breath weapons and result in at least some babys who don't have a breath attack at all. Full on complicated organs are rarely built from the instructions of just one gene.

So it might have one. It might have both (if these organs are actually not evolutionarilly related but dragons just have insainly flexible genes able to combine with relitives far more distant then any other creature on earth as seems to be the way with HTTYD dragons the genes might be lucky enough to not conflict if the organs for the different breaths are not in quite the same place).

If the organs involved are related though it might have one but be weakened by the genes of the other interfearing with development.

It might not have a breath weapon at all from trying to grow both and the genes conflicting resulting in possibly an ability to spit....something but it's totally useless as a weapon or not even that.

 

 

Of course this is assuming a chemical or some other physical cause for the breath weapon. If we throw magic in there....it would depend more on what magic rules we use. If the rules include some sacridness or taboo about fire and ice meeting....who knows.

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Thank you for the explanation! Spit something... could fire and ice result in water? The hatchling wouldn't be happy though XD

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It might. It depends on how the organs that make fire or ice work and how they were messing each other up. It's quite possible that if they have both organs but don't have separate control of them (they fire off at the same time and it can't be helped) they might accidentilly exstingquish their own fire with their ice and melt their ice with their fire before it makes it out of their mouth.

 

Oh! Another possibility I just thought of. Fireing ice but releasing it alongside the flamable gas that many dragons use to make fire. Like, the spark part is broken but the gas maker isn't. This would result in a hatchling that mostly attackes with ice but has the potential to also make explosions if what they're fighting is a firebreather or there's some other sort of spark to set it off.

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Ooh, that's a great idea! What if the fire has a liquid consistency instead of gas though, similar to the Monstrous Nightmare's?

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I don't know how that would change things. But this does bring to mind Astrid saying throwing water on a d.eadly nadder fire actually makes it worse (during a quest) so....if the dragon has a weird fire that does....that apparently I wonder if the water from the ice might make the fire worse.

I don't think Monstrous nightmare fire does that because of how many times Snotlout puts his rear in a water bucket thanks to Hookfang. I wonder if it would just be...more liquidy rather then sticky thanks to the extra water and it would confuse people even more when it catches alight.

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Oh, I know about that! Since the Deadly Nadder's fire has magnesium in it, it can’t be put out with water. In fact, water makes magnesium fire stronger. Burning magnesium is usually quenched by using a Class D dry chemical fire extinguisher, or by covering the fire with sand to remove its air source. So keep a bucket of sand around in case your Nadder sets something on fire XD

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A nadder snow wraith hybrid with the snow wraith personality would be....really bad. But maybe if we're lucky it would enherit the snow wraith's heat based sight too. (Because then it would confuse itself every time it fired its breath weapon)

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That would be funny XD

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Well, the Hushbogle, a cross between the fire-breathing Whispering Death and ice-breathing Snow Wraith, is a thing. And it's a firebreather. So there is that. So my guess is fire. (Personally, I think it would have been neat if they blended the two and the Hushbogle ended up shooting water - ice melted by fire heat - but that's just me.)

 

If you want to put real science in this, there could be a reason fire might come out on top. For one thing, I think a lot of genes are probably involved making something as complicated as a breath weapon, so there's a bit more going on than just gene dominance (though that's definitely part of it). If it's multiple genes working here, than we're looking for what genes would be maintained in the hybrid to make that structure. And fire might be the most likely breath weapon to survive a hybrid cross.

 

See, fire is the most common breath weapon in the entire franchise by far. Heck, there's even a line in To Berk and Beyond that says that people who have been around Scauldrons have reported smelling "traces of the signature flammable gas that precedes a dragon fire strike" and that the Scauldron's gel is flammable. So it's quite possible that fire-breathing might be an ancestral trait in dragons and that nearly all dragons have the genes for that particular breath weapon. So though a hybrid might not have all the genes necessary for ice-breathing because it only got those genes from one parent, it might have all the genes necessary for fire-breathing from both parents.

 

But that's just a theory, a film th--

 

However, there's also that test-tube hybrid from Dawn of New Riders, the Chimeragon. It can breathe ice, fire, and lightning. So there's a hybrid that can shoot more than one firepower type? But the Chimeragon is basically a GMO dragon, designed to be ultra-powerful and stuff and made from at least 3 different species. The Hushbogle is was just bred from two dragons. You know, "all natural." So it's probably a better model.

 

But there are dragons in the franchise that can breathe multiple fire types. Aside from the Dramillion, the Raincutter shoots both fire and water blasts, the Tide Glider shoots both acid and water blasts, the Snaptrapper shoots fire and acid, the Foreverwing shoots both acid and lava... So we could have hybrids that shoot multiple fire types, too, maybe?

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Makes sense. Thank you for your theory!!

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Yep!
In fact, only 2 dragons actually breathe Ice, as mentioned in a SoD mission. It's just Groncicle and Bewilderbeast, the others breathe only light hail or "icy droplets". One that most confuses is the Snow Wraith, who actually breathes "Fusillade", which lift the snow on the ground and give the illusion of breathing Snow.
 
So any dragon that breathes light hail/icy droplets and crosses with a dragon that breathes Fire would probably breathe some kind of overheated air (like the Windstriker). In the case of Groncicle or Bewilderbeast having a hybrid, Idk what would come out, but they would probably breathe only Fire or just Ice.
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Thank you for the explanation!