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Dude, seriously. Thisis

Dude, seriously. This is entirely unnecessary. Barging into a thead and yelling "racism" isn't a joke. It's obnoxious.

 

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Straight guys too. We're all

Straight guys too. We're all one. Support people, not just groups. That's where hate started, it can't be where it stops too.

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Straight trans individuals,

Straight trans individuals, yes.

Straight nonbinary individuals, yes.

Hetero-romantic aces, yes.

 

Cisgender heterosexuals, no.

 

Cishets need to show us their support, but they aren't part of the LGBT+ community. They don't need a pride month. Cishets are already celebrated every day of the year just for being cishet. Don't try to shoehorn your way into a marginalized group's space. It's not okay.

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We're people.

We're people. If life is ever gonna get better I take the stance of 'I truly do not mind, care or judge'

 

I'm not shoehorning, I'm just saying that it simply has to be a matter of 'We're people' I'm not saying straight people need a pride month, but don't forget cishets, as you put it, also are of a sexuality as much as anyone else. And as a straight person I haven't once been 'celebrated' for anything. That's just not true nor fair in any measure.

That attitude drives a wedge in the entire aim of an acceptance preaching wonderful thing like Pride Month. Because Nobody is 'celebrated' for being straight and my stace of 'we are all humans walking life together' is not me 'shoehorning' I fully respect every person for their sexuality and think that a celebration of that fact is wonderful. Telling me my opinion was somehow an attempt to 'shoehorn' is very inconsiderate.

 

Thats unfair. Plain and simple. It's the mentality that wont ever let the world heal. I fully respect the support for people being open about their sexuality but it's not a case of 'us and them' which you are aiming for with the statement that straight people ought to just be forgotten and that we are somehow horrible and 'celebrated' too much. I'm saying that the world needs to say 'Support everyone, regardless of their sexuality' even in pride month, because you can't just eliminate a whole sexuality. That's the wrong mentality if the world will ever grow. I understand pride month is about celebrating sexuality, but that in ALL it's forms. You cannot say one sexuality don't deserve to be included in the acceptance, otherwise you're driving home the idea of division. Which is wrong.

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Ok this needs to stop right now

OH THOR why is this so hard.

 

This is representation for LGBTQ+. This is a LGBTQ+ thread. Not a Christian thread. Not a Proud to be Hetero thread. Just because you aren't in the limelight for one second doesn't mean you are suddenly opressed. We're not getting celebrated, we are celebrating with each other that we are alive and here for one another. Straight het people don't need to do this about their straightness, because guess what? No one is oppressed for being straight and heterosexual. Trans people get oppressed for being straight sometimes, but not you. So stop crying about not getting attention.

 

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My friend had a very tough time after a long term relationship with another woman discovering she was actually straight and she found it very hard to realise she wasn't happy in her relationship and that she was falling for a man. She experienced some rather harsh persecution of her own, with the loss of (and exile from) friends. Which is why I truly believe that this month is about all love. It's pride month for all people, at least in my world. Because without pride month being about that for my friend and my social circle, my friend may well have never had the strength to accept who she was. She and I and our friends all believe thats what this month truly celebrates. 

 

It's about a new found freedom, so the next time I hold the banner for pride month, I'll remember this. It's not about a limelight. When I say 'and straight people' what I truly mean I suppose was more 'please don't forget everyone that doesn't come under just those boxes in that post' because all people all have a sexuality and there's always a doubt or a person that doesn't come under a group like those, so I've always thought that all people, straight or not, is fair to say because there's always struggle and there's always love. It's not jsut for straights, I guess, but for all people.

 

We're all lovely, wonderful people with the lovely freedom of our sexuality. It's not about limelight, please don't suddenly make it like that.

 

I am so happy to be supportive of pride month, but in my opinion, we're all one whole. That is how me and many friends from all sexualities have celebrated this month for years, as a moment for all peoples to accept who we are, pure and simple. I'm not being horrible by expressing that it's unfair to not include all people in a month literally dedicated to the love of every sexuality, which is how I've always viewed and celebrated pride month with the people around me. 

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Not once did I say straight

Not once did I say straight people were "horrible" or "should be forgotten". I said cishets are not part of the LGBT+ community. Because they aren't.

 

"We're all people" isn't inherently wrong, but it also doesn't acknowledge that not all people are treated or viewed equally. Marginalized groups need things like Pride in order to gain visibility and acceptance and to work toward being treated equally.

 

Majority groups like cishets don't need pride because they're already visible and accepted. Cishets face no oppression for being cishet. Those of us that ID as anything other than cishet do. Cisgender and heterosexual are seen as the default and the norm. You get to live your life without fear of harm coming to you in some way because of your sexuality or gender identity. We don't.

 

This is like complaining that Black History Month doesn't include white people. Its not about them. They don't need it. Let marginalized groups celebrate themselves without trying to make it about yourself.

 

 

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Its not about me

Its not about me its about all people. It's about every. single. person. Sexuality is everyone, we all have (one of a kind) and it's just that that one post was so specific. It's not just straight people it's all people, I saw many peoples that didn't come up and frankly some people haven't got a designated idea of who they are at all in any way and it's about everyone who may ever suffer any struggle with who they are and what they feel for others. There's always love and it comes in every form, not just those few boxes which I suppose was more my point, having seen and experienced these things for myself and coming to the conclusion that this month is so wonderful because its about all people... And I'll never let that idea of it being for anyone who may ever struggle or be prejudiced against regardless of the way in which they do.

 

Look, no hate to you or anyone at all. I just felt the specific nature of that comment was strange. I love and respect all people's sexualities. And though you may misunderstand what I mean and I may have worded it wrong and before more people become angry at a misunderstanding of what I truly meant:

 

Happy pride month, truly. May you always be perfectly happy being you and prejudice be damned, from all angles. I mean it.

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Amazingly though, the LGBTQ+ Pride month isn't about celebrating every person or every sexualtiy.

It's about celebrating people who are oppressed for not being cis heterosexuals.

Just like Black Lives Matter isn't saying white lives don't matter, it's simply not about white people, it's about black oppresion.

 

Coming into a Pride thread and shouting about how All Sexualities Matter is disrespectful to us and detracts from the very real issues we face, by saying we can't have support for one another without including the non-opressed cis hets.

 

This month ISN'T about all people. It's about us. If you don't respect that, you aren't an ally, and you are certainly not helping us gain rights in society.

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Right well then fair enough.

Right well then fair enough.

 

I figure that PRIDE month is simply pride, for people being equal and for celebrating how far we've come. I'll remember to not misjudge it as an open expression of free love and joy over the better than ever before equality but an expression of very specfic groups of love for the LGBTQ+ and nothing more, which hurts me really, because I feel this attitude doesn't let the world heal, because in my opinion that + is for all those people who have experienced their own opression due to their sexuality in this month.

 

But, nevertheless, I apologise. I'm an ally as much as the next woman and I wish you a happy pride month.

 

Sorry to have so severely misjudged what I believed was being proud of one's sexuality and the evolution of our society's acceptance and overlooking that it is infact for the LGBTQ+ community to remember their opression. Many apologies, I clearly misunderstood. I'll go and reassess this month and what it means to me, you've given me a lot to think about and frankly its not all good, because I truly believe this month is for all opressed peoples in every way, but I was wrong.

 

Hope no prejudice actually ever befalls your path, have fun in your travels. 

 

Happy pride. 

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Dude, if every gender

Dude, if every gender identity and sexuality was included there'd be literally dozens upon dozens of individual graphics. The person that made them was clearly including most of the 'big name' identities in the LGBT+ community. You know, like some of the identities in the acronym LGBT+. But even if every LGBT+ identity was up there, heterosexual still wouldn't be included.

 

And no matter how much you insist that 'all people' should be included in Pride Month, you're still wrong and insisting that we allow cishets into our spaces as a part of our community isn't okay.

 

A little history lesson for you: Pride Month doesn't just exist as a way for LGBT+ to celebrate themselves. June was deidcated as Pride Month to commemorate the Stonewall riots which occurred at the end of June in 1969, the single most important series of events that lead to the g.ay liberation movement.

 

Up until the riots LGBT+ people couldn't express who they were openly without fear of being arrested. I was honest to god an arrestable offense to be LGBT+. Police regularly raided the very few clubs and bars that catered to LGBT+ people and arrested the patrons, often raiding each establishment an average of once a month.

 

Post-WW2, LGBT+ people were considered too mentally unstable to be counted as normal citizens and were considered to be security risks. The government kept tabs on individuals they suspected as being g.ay, as well as lists of their friend and the establishments they regularly visited. Thousands of LGBT+ individuals were publicly humiliated and harassed, fired, thrown in jail, and institutionalized in mental hospitals.

 

Being LGBT+ was considered a mental illness until 1973. That's only about 44 years ago, which is hardly any time at all.

 

The Stonewall riots are what lead to the formation of what is now the modern LGBT+ movement.

 

This is what we're celebrating. Not only ourselves, but those that came before us, those who fought and those who died for the same rights we're fighting for today.

 

Cishets have never had to fight anything like this for the freedom to express your sexuality and gender identity. You've always been accepted.

 

Pride Month is not about you.

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Don't need the lesson, I'm

Don't need the lesson, I'm well versed in this period of history.

 

And as a historian can I just mention that straight people have fought for all freedoms in history? As well as and more than censored people in history? And atop of that you've got straight allies who wish to help your cause. You can't suddenly erase straight people from history what are you even saying? Of course straight people have had to fight for freedom, not sexual but literally every other kind of freedom, why would you even begin to argue straight poeple haven't ever fought? I'm not even going to being. It's a long winded argument and I'm making this my last comment, frankly. This entire discussion has saddened me that at the other end of this spectrum you've got people who won't accept love for people who aren't LGBTQ+ the same way you have it on the other end for those who won't let LGBTQ+ people be accepted. Regardless, I think that statement was very under-thought.

 

The way I figured it, this month is simply be about the love all people give eachother and any and all hardships we face in our sexuality and it's discovery. Sorry to misunderstand this month for being for free love, as your friend said it's clearly for the LGBTQ+ community's internal love. I will reassess what this month means to me. Apologies. Hope you have a happy pride.

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Straight people fighting in

Straight people fighting in general is beside the point. But LGBT+ people have existed and been fighting just as long as cishets have. We just had to do it in secret once the cishets decided to start excluding us.

 

What I said is that cishets have never had to fight the kind of fights we have for the purpose of freely expressing who they are regarding their gender identities and sexuality.

 

We're not erasing anyone. I'm saying Pride is not for cishets. That's not erasure. Just like not including white people in Black History Month isn't erasing white people. That's just absurd.

 

You can huff and puff about 'pride is for everyone even the cishets' all you want, but you're still going to be wrong. Doing the victim-playing, passive-aggressive guilt-tripping thing isn't going to work, either.

 

As it stands now, you're a sub-par ally. I hope you put some effort into researching why Pride Month is so important and necessary for the LGBT+ community and not cishets.

 

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I may not be apart of the official LGBTQ+ community but I do have a few questions. How do you know when you are LGBTQ+? And what is it like to come out?

I wish to be well informed on this topic because it is a beautiful topic. Nowadays more and more people are feeling safe to come out, I find it amazing. Humans have the will and capability to defy everything nature has brought upon them,and they do this because they feel that is what they should do. Nature gave you once gender, but unlike almost every animal on Earth, don't have to stick to it. It she's how truly special our species are. But, there is a children's book baced on a true story about two ga.y Penguins. I have it around here somewhere...

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Fun fact - homos.exualty has

Fun fact - homos.exualty has been documented in over 450 species of animals all over the world. It's entirely natural. Humans are the ones that created the concept of homophobia.

 

As for when you know - that answer will change depending on who you ask. Every person is different and so every experience is different. Some people have known since they were very young, others don't figure it out until they're much older. Sometimes it's a very emotional struggle filled with denial and doubt, sometimes it's like a lightning strike and everything suddenly makes complete sense and comes with a feeling of relief. Other times it's just an ordinary fact of someone's life and simply knowing doesn't necessarily impact them positively or negatively.

 

For some, s.exuality is very fluid and so sometimes they are further toward one end of the spectrum than the other and it changes throughout their lifetime.

 

I personally didn't find my identity until I was in my early twenties and my attraction to different genders tends to fluctuate and change to some degree.

 

Coming out, again, is going to vary from person to person. Some people have a very bad time coming out where they face rejection and ignorance, others are met with acceptance and celebration. Some individuals are outed without their consent and others out themselves accidentally. And some people choose never to come out.

 

I seem to tend to out myself to people IRL when I'm ranting, so it's not always a positive experience. It's more of an offhand comment than anything else. Online, though, I've been out for a few years now and I'm not shy about it at all. I have yet to come across too much negativity, but when you're online it's much easier to create the kind of audience that will accept certain parts of yourself.

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Still, that's 450, out of the billions and trillions of species exist in the world.

 

 

As for coming out online, i would assume it's alot easier to. Online, no one knows who you are, online, you can close the tab and escape any negativity. But, not in real life. 

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you aren't thinking about species logically

Most of the billions and trillions of species in the world are plants and insects, which aren't really complex enough to demonstrate forethought in mating and frequently (in the case of most plants) don't even have male and female varieties. 
But of birds, amphibians, and mammals it's pretty dang common, which I believe is what matters here.

After all, we ourselves are mammals - I think what is normal for us would rely more on what is normal for other animals.

 

Coming out in particular parts of the internet can be easier but there is a lot of hate on here too, as I think Shamara demonstrated for us nicely. Don't discount people for their bravery just because they are on the other side of a computer screen.

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Oh! I am sorry if you took my post that way! I am not discounting people, I am agreeing with GreenasSin.

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Even better fun fact - A

Even better fun fact - A History Museum in Norway held and exhibit in 2006 about homos.exuality in animals which included 1,500 different species that have been documented engaging in same s.ex relationships both long- and short-term and ranging from things like worms to mammals. Since 450 is the most quoted number, I'm just finding this out myself and I'm both impressed and excited about it.

 

Also - billions and trillions is a pretty big exaggeration. Scientists estimate there are between 2 and 50 million species on earth - both discovered and undiscovered and we only know of about 1.5 million. Since the majority of these species are plants and insects 1,500 is still an impressive enough number, especially since there's creatures out there that we haven't found yet and others that are so elusive we hardly know anything about them. We only discover an average of 10,000 species a year, so it's very probable that the number of documented creatures that engage in same s.ex relationships will also grow.

 

As for coming out online - it does offer an easier, more accessible outlet for being ourselves, but it can also be a very dangerous place for us. Sadly, a lot of LGBT+ individuals that are out online aren't out IRL because they don't feel safe coming out. They create safe spaces online in order to be true to themselves and to connect with other LGBT+ individuals and access resources that aren't available to them offline.

 

Also unfortunately, it isn't always as simple as closing a tab and avoiding negative consequences. Even in spaces that are supposed to be a positive place for us it can be dangerous. About two or three years ago there was a big warning post going around Tumblr about a girl who was befriending LGBT+ individuals (many of them in their teens) who were out online, but not IRL. After receiving or finding info about these people she would track down their parents and send them letters with the express purpose of outing their kids to them, which in many cases was an incredibly dangerous and harmful thing to do. Even when we do our best to tailor our online presence and surround ourselves with acceptance and positivity, some negative consequences can't be avoided.

 

Coming out online affords us with a certain freedom that a lot of us don't have IRL and provides us with support and resources that we don't get elsewhere. But this freedom and anonymity is also afforded to those that would hurt us so we always have to be on the lookout and be ready in case our safety to be compromised. It's a double-edged sword.