Fixing HtTYD Cannon: Night Furies

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I think I'm with a good 60% of people here when I say that the cannon reason for night furies being extinct is bad. (btw, httyd3 spoilers) I’ve thought of a few better ways for the night fury to be rare/extinct, and some loose thoughts on the Light Furies in there.

 

Fix #1; Better Villain

Grimmel was a badly written and extremely flat character who's god complex/apex predator trait was poorly used and terribly justified. 'Oh yeah I had a character parallel to you in my youth but did the evil thing and was made a hero so i guess I'm just gonna hunt down the whole species and only that one'

BORING. FLAT. NO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. AT ALL. Let's fix that!

My immediate thought on Grimmel's reasoning was there should have been at least a quick 5-second cut scene or flashback while he was talking. Something as simple as story-boarded memories over the monologue would have vastly improved the believability of it. Further into that, there could have been more instances of his past. Showing off a memoir of that first k.ill, a scale or claw, even his iconic dagger could have been told to be the weapon he made his achievement with.

 

Fix #2; Self Destruction

Night Furies are complex and powerful dragons!! We know this, and there seems to be no ill affect to their abilities. It’s always been my personal headcannon that when a Night Fury overcharges/’goes alpha’, it’s incredibly dangerous. They can easily go just a little bit too far and burn themselves out (literally), and most end up ki.lling themselves when they overcharge. Being a natural leading species (going off light fury’s position in HW, likely ruled alone before toothless), they would challenge each other a lot and the species would self destruct over time.

[this fix is quite flawed and ignores some things but I don’t wanna write that so you lot can have fun with those essays]

 

Fix #3; Epidemic

Nothing bottle-necks a species like a plague (hello dark ages europe), so it’s really not far of a leap in logic to say that a sickness spread through the Fury population, leaving Hidden World furies to evolve into Light Furies, and surface furies to become the stealthy, secluded Night Furies. Rapid evolution in a small and unstable population still battling with a lethal pathogen creates the distinct subspecies, while retaining enough genetic similarity to produce viable hybrid offspring.

 

 

I’ll leave it at 3 alternatives for now, I might come up with some more, but I also wanna see what other people think should have happened!

Bonus; tell me what else I should try and fix in HtTYD cannon

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Those are definitely better alternatives than saying one guy who liked the fame being a Night Fury slayer bought wiped out the entire species; they're supposed to be the most feared dragon in the Archipelago, so feared that one of the few things the the Dragon Manual said about it was "Hide and pray it doesn't find you," and you expect me believe that it was just this guy and his Deathgrippers? Granted, I can see the Deathgrippers being capable of pursuing Night Furies but my eyebrows can't help but raise when they're the sole reason behind their near extinction.

 

That being said, the only thing I have to disagree with is your statement about the Light Fury; I don't think she ruled over the Hidden World before Toothless came in. I think the only reason the dragons recognize her as the Queen of Dragons is because they all saw her and Toothless--the King of Dragons--seal the deal with their mating dance. Therefore, if the King loves her and whatnot, she is to be the Queen.

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Actually, Hobgobblers are

Actually, Hobgobblers are more feared than Night Furies.

"so feared that one of the few things the the Dragon Manual said about it was "Hide and pray it doesn't find you,"" The book was written by Bork, and at that time they knew of very few species of dragons, so Night Furies became one the most feared of that few. Since then they've come across more dangerous dragons, so that statement doesn't necessarily hold true anymore.

 

Obviously it wasn't solely Grimmel who hunted Night Furies. He much more likely just hunted the last dozen ones.

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From the looks of it, they're the most feared on ​Berk (and even then, I'd like to see where that was said; I'm assuming it's somewhere on the Dragonpedia but the Wiki didn't have a source at the time I read it.) Plus, when I was referring to what the Dragon Manual said in regards to the Night Fury, I was referring to what it said prior to Hiccup and/or any of the dragon riders added anymore information to it.

 

While Grimmel definitely wasn't the only one hunting Night Furies, I certainly think he is the only one succeed and/or live to tell the tale at this time. I'm sure other people have pursued the species but the 3rd film implies Grimmel is one of, if not the only hunter to succeed in slaying a Night Fury, let alone multiple ones.

 

Edit: Nevermind, I found the source on the "Hobglobbes beingbeing the most feared dragons on Berk" thing.)

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Agreed

Gobber and the Hobgobblers. They are extremely terrifying when in a hungry pack, able to eat just about anything in their path - be it wood, viking, etc.

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There were dragons when I was a boy...

There are likely other NFs. I mean, are these hunters supposed to find these dragons in the far north, far south, and every corner of the world? No. And so I personally believe that there are more NFs out there.

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I looked around, nose in the air. It told me there was boar near. I, fire burning hotly within myself, looked around. Sure enough, fifty paces off, more or less, was a full-grown boar. I was getting rather hungry, and a boar makes a nice meal. I stealthily approched it, thinking of the feast I'd have today.

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personally i believe grimmel

personally i believe grimmel just thinks he killed all of the night furies, or perhaps he simply touts that to gain respect. he's likely only succeeded in killing the weak, the young, or those that are simply less fit to survive. i have no doubt that there are tens of thousands of night furies spread across europe, asia, and perhaps even africa.

they just wanted to make toothless super special and not be challenged in his specialness... even though toothless's personality and life experiences are what should make him special/one of a kind, not his species. there being other night furies doesn't suddenly make toothless any less lovable. i've always hated the "last of x kind" plot device- though there are cases where it fits, this was not one of them.

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The only things i don't agree with are the self-destruction and the hunting the subspecies. Night furies are way too intelligent to kill eachother or their subspecies for no reason at all. Remember that they are one of the most intelligent dragons, so why would they kill eachother and the subspecies JUST for being the alpha? But yea, i think that grimmel didn't kill all the night furies too, because, how could a SINGLE man destroy an enitre species? It's impossible.

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Night And Day: Male Titanwing Zippleback

Dark And Light: Female Adult Zippleback

Briciola E Scheggia: Adult Male Zippleback (It's An Italian Name)

Shyra: Female Titanwing Monsterous Nightmare

FlashWing: Male Adult Monsterous Nightmare (Tribute To Skylanders)

Hurricane\Nerone Il Tamburenna: Male Titanwing Thunderdrum (Fourth Main Dragon)

Thundy: Male Adult Thunderdrum

Ares: Male Adult Thunderdrum

Bianchina Rennadrum: Female Adult Snoggletog Thunderdrum

Warning: This List Is Not Finished Yet!

I Have Too Many Dragons..Not Going To Finish The List Today...