End of Grapple Grounder confusion

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So I am making my own Book of Dragons. I have every dragon species in the franchise, and am trying to make it as canonically accurate as possible. When I got to the Grapple Grounder, I couldn't decide which Grapple Grounder model I should use.

The original:

 

The RoB model:

 

Or the SoD model:

I decided to put the SoD model AND the original model, as if there was a variation of the species.

 

However, Rise of Berk has saved us!

A while back, Rise of Berk released the Swampscrapper, a subspecies of Grapple Grounder:

 

It looks like a SoD Grapple Grounder.

THAT'S IT! THE SOD GRAPPLE GROUNDER IS ACTUALLY A SWAMPSCRAPPER!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

THEORY 2:

The original Grapple Grounder is actually a Swampscrapper, and SoD's Grapple Grounder is a real one.

The official discription of the Swampscrapper says this:

 

"This Dragon has grown specialized to the swamps of its home, Breakneck Bog. Its bulky build allows it to quickly subdue enemies in the thick water."

 

 

So if it's a bulkier Grapple Grounder, then the original Grapple Grounder would fit it's discription more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Which one do you guys think makes more sense?

 

 

 

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You're not going to like this...

Uhm, personally I don't like how the first one looks, period. TBH though, RoB's picture doesn't match the description. A bulky build combined with a swamp dragon would make me picture something closer to an alligator or croc with wings.

But for your question, the second theory is better to me.

And btw, I think it's totally awesome that you're creating your own book of dragons. Honestly it sounds a lot more detailed than what's currently out, so it's more like an encyclopedia of dragons!

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Yeah, I've been working on it

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Impossible, I'm afraid

I'm afraid your theory relies on the Swampscrapper being some sort of the subspecies to the Grapple Grounder...which it is not. Swampscrapper is the name of an individual Grapple Grounder. If he varies at all from any other Grapple Grounder, it's just variation across individuals. In fact, aside from coloring, I don't really see any difference between Swampscrapper and the typical RoB Grapple Grounder...which makes sense, since he is one.

 

Now there's not a whole lot of difference between the RoB and SoD versions of the Grapple Grounder except for the fact that the RoB version has a much stouter jaw that more resembles the original version from the Wii game, which was based on a statue from the first movie. It's just a plain mistake on the part of the franchise. Now if you want to justify the inconsistencies with a theory, all three of these could be seen as individual variation within the species. Or all three could be seen as different subspecies, but if we are to call them different subspecies, there are no canon names we can apply them. We'd have to make them up ourselves.

 

Ooh, you're writing a Book of Dragons, too? Cool! Though if I may suggest, don't use the wikia as your main source. It's a good place to direct you toward information, but if the information cited in it is isn't backed up by a source, don't accept it outright. It's a terribly inaccurate wikia and nearly impossible to correct if you try. I used to be on the team for writing it, and it's just a mess. Wrong information gets placed on it so often, and getting it removed is like pulling teeth, only the teeth get angry and shout at you in all caps when you do. And putting up correct information is difficult as well if it conflicts with some commonly-accepted preferred fan theory of the fandom. Just an absolute headache to keep up-to-date. I had to leave for my own sanity.

 

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Winterwind: female Woolly Howl (main dragon)

Skin: Woolly Howl Hero Skin

Saddle: Masters Woolly Howl Saddle

Stable: Whispers Stable (Strike/Starter Stable)

Dasher: male Woolly Howl (Snoggletog Wraith stand-in; main dragon during Advent & Christmas)

Skin: Woolly Howl Racing Colors

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Borealis: male Titan Wing Woolly Howl

Saddle: Defenders Woolly Howl Saddle

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Avalanche: female Snow Wraith

Stable: Dream Stable (Dream Stable)

Abominable: male Titan Wing Snow Wraith

Skin: Snow Wraith Racing Colors

Stable: North Stable (Tidal Stable)

Slashtail: male Triple Stryke

Skin: Triple Stryke Racing Colors

Saddle: Novice Triple Strike Saddle

Stable: Hearth Stable (Stoker Stable)

Icebones (in-game name Stormblaze): male Skrill

Skin: Skrill Racing Colors

Saddle: Novice Skrill Saddle

Stable: Dream Stable (Dream Stable)

Galewing: female Titan Wing Skrill

Skin: Skrill Warpaint

Saddle: Masters Skrill Saddle

Stable: Titan Heat Stable (Stoker Stable)

 

Boulder Class

Icevein: male Groncicle (second main dragon)

Skin: Groncicle Racing Paint

Saddle: Rider’s Groncicle Saddle

Stable: Whispers Stable (Strike/Starter Stable)

Hoarfrost: male Groncicle (Icevein's father)

Saddle: Defenders Groncicle Saddle

Stable: Guardian Stable (Boulder Stable)

Permafrost: female Groncicle (Icevein's mother)

Stable: Cold Titan Stable (Boulder Stable)

Crystal (in-game name Krystal): female Groncicle (Icevein's sister)

Stable: Snow Boulder Stable (Boulder Stable)

Snowblast: male Groncicle (Icevein's brother)

Stable: Titan Tidal Stable (Tidal Stable)

Firn: female Groncicle (Icevein's sister)

Stable: Snow Boulder Stable (Boulder Stable)

Coldnip: male Groncicle (Frozen Groncicle stand-in)

Saddle: Master’s Groncicle Saddle

Stable: Guardian Stable (Boulder Stable)

Meteorblast: male Eruptodon

Skin: Eruptodon Ice Skin

Stable: Cold Titan Stable (Boulder Stable)

Sawblade (in-game name Sawfang): male Whispering Death

Skin: The Groundsplitter Look

Saddle: Sleek Death Saddle; Snoggletog Death Saddle during Advent & Christmas

Stable: Norberts Stable (Boulder Stable)

Bramble: female Titan Wing Whispering Death

Skin: Whispering Death Warpaint

Saddle: Wild Death Saddle; Snoggletog Death Saddle during Advent & Christmas

Stable: Titan Boulder Stable (Boulder Stable)

Furious: male Screaming Death

Saddle: Rider’s Screaming Death Saddle

Stable: Wolf Stone Stable (Boulder Stable)

Merciless: female Titan Wing Screaming Death

Saddle: Defenders S. Death Saddle

Stable: Titan Boulder Stable (Boulder Stable)

Silhouette: female Sentinel

Stable: Guardian Stable (Boulder Stable)

Comrade: male Elder Sentinel

Stable: Guardian Stable (Boulder Stable)

Stonemaw: male Gronckle

Skin: The Meatlug Look; Vivid Dreadfall Gronckle Skin during October

Saddle: Novice Gronckle Saddle; Snoggletog Gronckle Saddle during Advent & Christmas

Stable: Norberts Stable (Boulder Stable)

Fireball: female Titan Wing Gronckle

Skin: Gronckle Earth Skin; Dreadfall Gronckle Skin during October

Saddle: Rider’s Gronckle Saddle; Snoggletog Gronckle Saddle during Advent & Christmas

Stable: Titan Boulder Stable (Boulder Stable)

Ironmaid (in-game name Honormaid): female Hotburple

Skin: Hotburple Warpaint

Saddle: Novice Hotburple Saddle

Stable: Wolf Stone Stable (Boulder Stable)

Redwolf: male Grapple Grounder

Skin: Grapple Grounder Racing Paint

Stable: Norberts Stable (Boulder Stable)

Charity: female Shovelhelm

Skin: Shovelhelm Racing Stripes

Stable: Titan Boulder Stable (Boulder Stable)

Gemtooth: female Snafflefang

Skin: Snafflefang Racing Colors

Saddle: Rider’s Snafflefang Saddle

Stable: Wolf Stone Stable (Boulder Stable)

Boulderdash: male Catastrophic Quaken

Skin: Quaken Racing Paint

Stable: Norberts Stable (Boulder Stable)

Stonefist: male Thunderpede

Skin: Thunderpede Racing Paint

Stable: Wolf Stone Stable (Boulder Stable)

 

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Frostclaws: male Shivertooth (main racing dragon)

Saddle: Rider’s Shivertooth Saddle

Stable: Dream Stable (Dream Stable)

Solstice: female Shivertooth (2nd main racing dragon)

Saddle: Defenders Shivertooth Saddle

Stable: North Stable (Tidal Stable)

Thistle: female Prickleboggle (main battle dragon; tiny Prickleboggle stand-in)

Saddle: Prickleboggle Racing Paint

Stable: Dream Stable (Dream Stable)

Silvershard: female Razorwhip

Skin: Razorwhip Racing Colors

Stable: Hearth Stable (Stoker Stable)

Swiftslice: male Titan Wing Razorwhip

Skin: Razorwhip Racing Stripes

Stable: Titan Heat Stable (Stoker Stable)

Oakthorn (in-game name Oakclaw): male Timberjack

Skin: Timberjack Racing Stripes

Saddle: Rider’s Timberjack Saddle

Stable: Hollys Stable (Stoker Stable)

Fleetsteps: male Speed Stinger

Skin: Speed Stinger Racing Colors

Stable: North Stable (Tidal Stable)

Windrider: female Stormcutter

Skin: Stormcutter Hero Skin

Saddle: Rider’s Stormcutter Saddle

Stable: Hearth Stable (Stoker Stable)

Owleyes: male Titan Wing Stormcutter

Skin: Stormcutter Sharp Class Paint

Saddle: Defenders Stormcutter Saddle

Stable: Titan Heat Stable (Stoker Stable)

Rainshed: female Raincutter

Skin: Raincutter Warpaint

Saddle: Novice Raincutter Saddle

Stable: Titan Tidal Stable (Tidal Stable)

Spitfire: male Scuttleclaw

Skin: Scuttleclaw Racing Colors

Saddle: Rider’s Scuttleclaw Saddle

Stable: Hollys Stable (Stoker Stable)

Jadeheart: female Titan Wing Scuttleclaw

Skin: Scuttleclaw Racing Stripes

Saddle: Defenders Scuttleclaw Saddle

Stable: Titan Heat Stable (Stoker Stable)

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Stable: Distant Stable (Mystery Stable)

Shadowhunter: male Devilish Dervish

Skin: Devilish Dervish Racing Paint

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Brightclaw: female Deadly Nadder (starter dragon)

Skin: The Stormfly Look; Vivid Dreadfall Nadder Skin during October

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Stable: Snow Boulder Stable (Boulder Stable)

Horntail: male Titan Wing Deadly Nadder

Skin: Deadly Nadder Ice Crystal Skin; Dreadfall Nadder Skin during October

Saddle: Wild Nadder Saddle; Snoggletog Nadder Saddle during Advent & Christmas

Stable: Cold Titan Stable (Boulder Stable)

Bullheart: male Rumblehorn

Skin: Rumblehorn Warpaint

Saddle: Novice Rumblehorn Saddle

Stable: Hearth Stable (Stoker Stable)

Echo: female Mudraker

Skin: Mudraker Racing Stripes

Stable: Kaylees Stable (Tidal Stable)

 

Mystery Class

Mystic: female Changewing

Skin: Frost Changewing Skin

Saddle: Rider’s Changewing Saddle

Stable: Mystery Wolf Stable (Mystery Stable)

Nightingale: female Sithersong

Stable: Slithersong Stable (Mystery Stable)

Evermore: male Death Song

Stable: Slithersong Stable (Mystery Stable)

Valkyrie: female Titan Wing Death Song

Skin: Death Song Racing Paint

Stable: Slithersong Stable (Mystery Stable)

Bandit: male Armorwing

Skin: Armorwing Racing Paint

Stable: Mystery Wolf Stable (Mystery Stable)

Professor: male Flightmare (main dragon during October)

Skin: Flightmare Racing Colors

Saddle: Novice Flightmare Saddle

Stable: Dreadfall Stable (Dreadfall Stable)

Starshine: female Titan Wing Flightmare

Skin: Flightmare Warpaint

Saddle: Rider’s Flightmare Saddle

Stable: Dreadfall Stable (Dreadfall Stable)

Scourge: female Boneknapper

Skin: Boneknapper Racing Colors

Saddle: Rider's Boneknapper Saddle

Stable: Dreadfall Stable (Dreadfall Stable)

Wishbone: male Titan Wing Boneknapper

Skin: Boneknapper Warpaint

Saddle: Defenders Boneknapper Saddle

Stable: Dreadfall Stable (Dreadfall Stable)

Fortitude: male Buffalord

Saddle: Masters' Buffalord Saddle

Stable: Mystery Wolf Stable (Mystery Stable)

Horrorcow: female Titan Wing Buffalord

Skin: Buffalord Racing Paint

Saddle: Defenders’ Buffalord Saddle

Stable: Distant Stable (Mystery Stable)

Honey: female Sweet Death

Skin: Sweet Death Hero Skin

Saddle: Rider's Sweet Death Skin

Stable: Distant Stable (Mystery Stable)

Mistwalker: female Smothering Smokebreath

Skin: Smokebreath Warpaint

Saddle: Novice Smokebreath Saddle

Stable: Distant Stable (Mystery Stable)

Double & Trouble: female Hideous Zippleback

Skin: The Barf&Belch Look; Vivid Dreadfall Zippleback Skin during October

Saddle: Sleek Zippleback Saddle; Snoggletog Zippleback Saddle during Advent & Christmas

Stable: Snow Boulder Stable (Boulder Stable)

Short & Snout: male Titan Wing Hideous Zippleback

Skin: Zippleback Mystery Class Paint; Dreadfall Zippleback Skin during October

Saddle: Wild Zippleback Saddle; Snoggletog Zippleback Saddle during Advent & Christmas

Stable: Cold Titan Stable (Boulder Stable)

Sneak, Snip, Snap & Trap: male Snaptrapper (Leafy Snaptrapper stand-in)

Skin: Snaptrapper Racing Stripes

Stable: Mystery Wolf Stable (Mystery Stable)

 

Tidal Class

Seacry: female Thunderdrum

Skin: The Thornado Look

Saddle: Sleek Thunderdrum Saddle; Snoggletog Thunderdrum Saddle during Advent & Christmas

Stable: Dylans Stable (Tidal Stable)

Darkbreather: male Titan Wing Thunderdrum

Skin: Thunderdrum Tidal Class Paint

Saddle: Wild Thunderdrum Saddle; Snoggletog Thunderdrum Saddle during Advent & Christmas

Stable: Titan Tidal Stable (Tidal Stable)

Fjord: male Sand Wraith

Skin: Sand Wraith Hero Skin

Saddle: Rider’s Sand Wraith Saddle

Stable: Dylans Stable (Tidal Stable)

Shorewind: female Titan Wing Sand Wraith

Skin: Sand Wraith Ruby Crystal Skin

Saddle: Defenders Sand Wraith Saddle

Stable: Titan Tidal Stable (Tidal Stable)

Sparky: male Shockjaw

Skin: Shockjaw Hero Skin

Stable: Dylans Stable (Tidal Stable)

Riptide: male Scauldron

Skin: Scauldron Warpaint

Saddle: Novice Scauldron Saddle

Stable: Kaylees Stable (Tidal Stable)

Splashwing: female Sliquifier

Skin: Sliquifier Racing Colors

Stable: Dylans Stable (Tidal Stable)

Wavedancer: female Tide Glider

Skin: Tide Glider Racing Colors

Saddle: Rider's Tide Glider Saddle

Stable: Kaylees Stable (Tidal Stable)

Freyasfang: female Windwalker

Skin: Windwalker Racing Colors

Stable: Kaylees Stable (Tidal Stable)

 

Stoker Class

Brightsoul: male Singetail

Skin: Singetail Racing Stripes

Stable: Wolf Fire Stable (Stoker Stable)

Scout: female Flame Whipper

Skin: Flame Whipper Racing Paint

Stable: Wolf Fire Stable (Stoker Stable)

Firegale: female Monstrous Nightmare

Skin: The Hookfang Look; Vivid Dreadfall Nightmare Skin during October

Saddle: Sleek Nightmare Saddle; Snoggletog Nightmare Saddle during Advent & Christmas

Stable: Frida Stable (Stoker Stable)

Ridgeback: male Titan Wing Monstrous Nightmare

Skin: Ashen Skin; Dreadfall Nightmare Skin during October

Saddle: Wild Nightmare Saddle; Snoggletog Nightmare Saddle during Advent & Christmas

Stable: Titan Stoker Stable (Stoker Stable)

Sparrow: female Terrible Terror

Skin: Terrible Terror Racing Colors

Stable: Wolf Fire Stable (Stoker Stable)

Van (in-game name Slurg): male Titan Wing Terrible Terror

Skin: Terrible Terror Racing Stripes

Stable: Stable: Titan Stoker Stable (Stoker Stable)

Cyclone: male Typhoomerang

Skin: Typhoomerang Warpaint

Saddle: Rider’s Typhoomerang Saddle

Stable: Titan Stoker Stable (Stoker Stable)

Sunheart: female Fireworm Queen

Skin: Fireworm Queen Glow

Saddle: Rider’s Fireworm Queen Saddle

Stable: Frida Stable (Stoker Stable)

Eclipse: female Night Terror

Skin: Night Terror Racing Stripes

Stable: Frida Stable (Stoker Stable)

Lionheart: male Moldruffle

Skin: Moldruffle Racing Colors

Saddle: Defenders Moldruffle Saddle

Stable: Frida Stable (Stoker Stable)

Legacy: female Silver Phantom

Skin: Silver Phantom Racing Paints

Stable: Wolf Fire Stable (Stoker Stable)

Fireflight: female Hobblegrunt (Threadtail stand-in)

Skin: Hobblegrunt Racing Paint

Saddle: Novice Hobblegrunt Saddle

Stable: Titan Stoker Stable (Stoker Stable)

 

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Actually, the Swampscrapper

Actually, the Swampscrapper WOULD be considered a subspecies of Grounder since the official discription calls it an "it" rather than a "he or "she". Although they do this with many dragons. The Swampscrapper isn't the only dragon that is a subspecies of dragon. Remember the Desert Wraith? Or Sweet Wraith? Snoggletog Wraith, Frozen Groncicle, Leafy Snaptrapper, Sneezlehunch? 

 

Are you also making a book of dragons? I will have to post a few pages here to show you guys!

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While Dragons: Rise of Berk does make subspecies, it usually releases individual dragons, like Gresskarmor and Gleamer, and they are notorious for calling all dragons "it" instead of referring to them as "he" or "she," aside from the dragons used by the Dragon Riders. (They've called Scardian an "it," for example.) Swampscrapper and Sneezlehunch are both individuals, not subspecies. Swampscrapper is a Grapple Grounder, and Sneezlehunch is a Snifflehunch. In fact, recently Rise of Berk even had a post on their Facebook acking "What species is Swampscrapper?" Not the Swampscrapper, just Swampscrapper. The post can be seen at this link.

 

I wouldn't say I've been making a Dragon Manual; rather, I've had one, and having it is kind of an on-going process. I started making one back in 2012 just so I could have dragon information all in one place - at the time I wanted to design a quiz to see what dragons people match best, but once we exceeded 30 dragons, I kind of gave up on that - and as new information is released, I just keep adding onto it. It's honestly just a really long word document that I'm constantly updating. I haven't added the Silkspanner dragons to it yet, though, since information on them is still pretty scanty. I'll wait for Dragonvine to come out before I add them.

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Huh. There goes that theory.

Huh. There goes that theory. :P  I guess we will have to go with the "variation in the species" explaination. Buthere's a question: if there was no variation in the species, which model of Grapple Grounder would be canon? It would be cool if they put one in RTTE so they could clear this mess up.

I still consider Sneezlehunch a subspecies. The Snifflehunch shoots fire, not ice. The Sneezlehunch would be an ice breathing subspecies of Snifflehunch. 

However, sometimes RoB adds uncanon things to dragons, like Reignstorm the Stormcutter shooting lightning, the Champion Triple Stryke shooting acid out of it's stingers, etc.

 

 

I have my Book of Dragons in a Powerpoint presentation. :D

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Hmm...technically they're all canon? It's basically a canon inconsistency. This franchise is ripe with them. Even RTTE gets so much stuff wrong, it's freaking crazy. (In fact, they get so much stuff blatantly wrong that putting a dragon in RTTE doesn't mean we have a "canon" version confirmed; it just means there's another canon version same as the games. Movies are the only definitive things in this franchise.) Having the different versions basically means the fan can pick and choose which part of canon they want to follow. For my money, I try to go with the stuff most consistent with the films, so I pick the original Wii Grapple Grounder because it looks the most like the dragon statue in the Great Hall.

 

Yeah, unfortunately Sneezlehunch is not subspecies, even though it makes no sense for it to shoot ice. I thought it was a subspecies for the longest time due to that, too, but it is indeed an individual. Like you said, their breath weapons don't always make sense. Remember how Rise of Berk said, Sven's Nightmare, Silencer, breathes acid instead of fire? *rolls eyes* (This game sometimes, I swear.)

 

Ooh, cool! Yeah, I would love to see some slides of your book sometime!

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Yeah, I consider anything

Yeah, I consider anything that does not contradict what the movies say "canon". I actually didn't think about the statue in the great hall when it comes to picking the "canon" version of the Grapple Grounder. Thanks! 

Only parts of RoB seem to be canon. For example, the dragon color variations. I figure that the color varieties seen in rise of berk are canon as long as they (again) don't contradict the movies and shows. For example, the Skrill is supposed to have a dark hide in order to blend in with the clouds, but some Skrills in rise of berk have bright colors. (with the exception of the lavender skrill, which I'm actually SURE this time is a subspecies). And, the Snow Wraith, which is supposed to have an all white body to blend in with the snow, but rise of berk had a purple snow wraith. Ughhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 

But anyway, thanks for the advice! You sure do know your dragons! If you want to be friends in game, my friend code is CKN3SH.

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Same, I also consider whatever doesn't contradict to the fims to be canon. But that means that it's not just RoB that's only partly canon. SoD and RTTE are only partly canon, too. They have a lot of stuff that's movie-contradictory, unfortunately. Sometimes I think they're just trying to make us analytical fans work harder. XD

 

I'd love to be friends in-game, but...my friends list is full in-game, so it won't let me add you. Sorry. :(

 

Hmm, well, I do have two Vikings I like to play with, WhispertheWolf and NorberttheNutcase, and Norbert's friend list isn't full. Tell you what, I'll friend you with that Viking. ;)

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Sounds like a plan! Which

Sounds like a plan! Which parts of RTTE aren't canon? 

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RTTE Canon and Non-Canon

Usually they're non-canon in small stuff. Like, they forget that the first movie said the Hideous Zippleback has venom. They forget that dragons can't breathe fire if their heads are wet. They forget that the Skrill is supposed to be slower than the Night Fury, and that the Deadly Nadder is not supposed to be fast dragon (chicken or no). They claim Gronckles are the least dangerous drgons when the first movie indicated otherwise. That sort of thing. On top of that, their maps are almost never consistent, and their timeline often doesn't make sense; already the series is said to take place over a number of years, but that's kind of impossible if the teens really did start out as 18 and 19 at the beginning of it and then are 19 and 20 in the second movie. Sometimes the characters are out-of-character compared to their movie counterparts. It's only in certain moments and it's usually subtle, but it's definitely there.

 

Sometimes it's bigger stuff, too. The biggest thing I can think of is the fact that they had Hiccup and Astrid get together during the TV series. That definitely runs count to the movies. They clearly gave each other romantic indications at the end of the first movie - at least, Astrid did, and Hiccup openly accepted it - they were openly romantically affectionate in Gift of the Night Fury (which was made by the movie crew), and the director of the second film said Hiccup and Astrid have been together for 5 years. ....RTTE just kind of ignored all that, for some reason? Too bad, too, because I think it would have been interesting to see two people already in a relationship learn and grow together as a couple. We rarely get that in kids' shows.

 

Stuff like Dagur, Heather, other new people, the new dragons, the new locations, that sort of thing, those I'd consider canon since they don't really contradict anything. And their Titan Wings are consistent with what the movie-connected shorts stated, so that's great. Every now and then they just get a few dragon facts blatantly wrong or just don't have consistent characters and timelines...with the movies or sometimes even with earlier episodes. But I do like the fact that the show expands the world, and I like a lot of the dragons they make.

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Yeah, I actually made a

Yeah, I actually made a timeline of the movies, shows, and school of dragons expansions. I'll have to make an updated one and post it. I try to make it as accurate as possible. It will probably make more sense than the RTTE timeline. :D