Clash of the Clans Round 2 Begins!
Dark lords is all hackers. Wow there hacking software must be great. Your that blind.
Wait, what? Do you have any evidence to back this up?
Evidence has been sent to Admin. Admin is well aware of its inability to track these clever codes
Admin DO NOT TAKE HACKING SERIOUSLY
What Admin takes seriously is using a ingame GEM FEATURE more than 200 times or in some players cases as little as 10 times.
Bravo Admin you do a wonderful job catering to most players needs.
Thanks Admin, for showing yourselves up by posting incorrect results first before you drew straws and posted what you got. Hilarious
I'm sure the admins are doing what they can. As players of the game, what we need to do is take a deep breath, step back, and let them do their thing.
I am well aware that there are players who hack. I raced one just a few days ago. What I wanted to know was whether there was specific evidence that Dark Lords was a hacking clan or has hacking members, because it is unfair to anyone that is up against them. As a member of Valor, I would obviously prefer that we beat them and get into the next round, but if we do get beaten, I would prefer that that be in an honorable way by an honorable clan. Please, if anyone has any evidence that specific clans are hacking, please send it to the admins! They can make their own decisions about what should happen, we just need to let them.
Ok then :)
Congratulations to all the clans who made it. I know you guys worked really hard to make it to round 2. Good luck everyone!
Thank you Brynjolf. ROARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR The Phantom Heroes
Thank you so much Brynjolf for the updated version. Good luck to all the clans going onto the next round! Dragon Racers for the win! The Dragon Racers, hear our name & TREMBLE!
That will be a big potato party for us ^^.
Nice to see the phantom heroes in, it was great racing with you and I hope it can still be ;)!
Congrats to the clans who made it in. And a special one to our Bros' ^^.
Hope to have some more fun on the tracks =)
Are you the leader of both Fast and Furious Flying Potatoes and Potatoes Brothers. Congratulations to both your clans for making it in.
It is great racing with your clans too. See you in Thunder Run.
I did not expect that! :O Congratulations my amazing Potato Heads! :) that will be fun week indeed.
Congatulations to all clans who made it to top 8! See you all on tracks!
So happy that the FAST & FURIOUS FLYING POTATOS AND THE POTATO BROTHERS made it to the top 8! Even though we are versing each other one of us is going to get into the semi-finals whooOOO! Who do you think gonna win?
Ok, that makes a bit more sense. Congrats to everyone who made it, and good luck!
Why in the world is a hacking clan included (Dark Lords)? I guess they're not aware of their racing hacks.
Theres one server in TRR thats not giving trophies. Can you please take a look at this.
DRAGON RACERS, DRAGON RACERS, ZOOM, ZOOM, ZOOM!
We got this peeps! Keep pushing forward!
Congrats to all the clans and may the better clan win their matches!
Proud member, humbled to be a leader,
Congrats to all those who have made it to the 2nd round! You all did your best. =)
Excited for the upcoming furture :)
Congratulations to all the clans that made it to the top 8! :)
Congratulations to all clans who made it to the second round!!! Roarrrrr for Phantoms :D
I've raced with some of you before and know your skills. May the best clan win! I'll see y'all at the Training Grounds and TRR! The Wulf Pack will all be howling in support!
Stay Frozty out there!
Congratz to all the clans who made it to round 2!
Yes! First tournament ever and I survived to Round 2! I owe it all to the Dragon Racers! Thank you so much!
go Phantom Hero!
As a leader of Super Russian Dragon Trainers, I spent all my time earning trophies. I am a bit dissapointed that we are 5th. I think we must be 2nd..
Shall I continue earning triphies or you'll just do what other clans say? I mean, they said that we mustn't be 2nd and you do what they ask. Unfair
Go Super Russian Dragon Trainers!
It is because of the way the admins measure trophies.
If two clans earn ten trophies, but one clan has ten members while the other has twenty, even though both clans earned the same number of trophies, the clan with the ten members wins because of the average number of trophies for every single member was better than the member with the twenty members.
Why The Dragon Racers are playing against a clan of only 4 members, all of which are quite active and good racers. But their average among the four of them was better than the whole of The Dragon Racers.
The admins are trying to be fair to the smaller clans. But in doing so, I believe they are being unfair to the larger clans that are more active and have been around for a lot longer.
If the point of it is for everyone to be on even ground, the best way to find out who the best clan is, is to just see who can earn more trophies. Everybody starts at zero and then whoever earns the most after each round moves on until there is a champion. Simple, easy to follow, and the most common way in any tournament in any sport to find who the best team is.
Hmm, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you there. If the standings went by trophy count alone, the biggest clan would automatically win, no matter what the other clans did. The only way to make it so that overall trophy count was what mattered would be to make each clan the same size, which of course is unfair to everyone because they either have to drop or add members.
This of course brings us right back to the averages, since by making set clan amounts, this would be almost exactly the same as having averages. By using this type of system, the admins can determine the winning clan by seeing the average number of trophies earned by members. If a smaller clan gets an average of 1000 trophies per person, with a total of 5000 trophies, but a larger clan gets an average of 500 trophies but a total of 10000 trophies, which clan would you say worked harder?
If larger clans are worried about smaller clans beating them, they can drop lower-earning members to boost their average, which is a tactic that I believe many clans use. You say that the larger clans are more active, but is this really true if some smaller clans beat them because they get more trophies per person?
Just something to think about.
Dont waste your breath, mate.
I attempted to explain this very thing to this user this year and even last year but to no avail.
They absolutely refuse to understand.
All I'm trying to do is to find a similar way of doing Clash of Clans that easy and understandable to even the newest of players.
I still don't understand how the admins calculate the trophies for each clan. I have a good idea, but it still make it hard to understand.
Whoever earns the most trophies is a simple thing to understand and do. Just go out and earn the most trophies.
Having to worry about the averages, how many vikings are in your clan and how it will affect your trophy counts, and causing rifts in your clan by removing players because you are trying to get fewer in your clan... seems to me like that is too much that needs to go into a tournament. Simplifying the rules or the process I think would benefit everyone.
I'm not trying to sound or come across as not understanding, I just don't like how Clash of Clans is being run. I'll still participate because it is the only clan tournament atm.
For example: How is it fair that a clan of The Dragon Racers size (80+ members) goes up against a clan of the size of the FIAKING RACERS with only 4 members? Advantage The Dragon Racers, right? Wrong. I know for a fact we earn hundreds and hundreds of trophies for the tournament, but we only placed 6th? How did a clan of only 4 beat us? Because of the law of averages. Now if the tournament was just simply earn the most trophies, we may have been a position or two higher. A clan of 80 vs a clan of 4 doesn't seem fair. But in the current set up of the tournament, the clan with 4 doesn't have to work has hard to earn the better average. A clan of 80 has to work a lot harder just to break even with the average of the smaller clan.
There has to be something simpler than this.
No, actually, the tournament is set up so that each clan will have to work just as ha.rd. Clans can't just rely on a few high-earning trophy members to to all the work, that would mean that they aren't trying very ha.rd and don't necessarily deserve the win. The reason that the smaller clans are doing well is not that they're better advantaged by the average system, it's that their clan is only their best racers. They know that everyone in their clan is trying their best to win, meanwhile larger clans tend to have members that aren't. It's easier to manage a smaller clan, so the smaller clans are naturally taking advantage of this.
Removing players because a clan wants to be competitive is actually fairly simple. You make an announcement stating that members who are not trying ha.rd will be removed, then remove them with a promise of being welcomed back in as soon as the tournament is over. If people are upset about this, make it clear that this is a competition and so all members should try to win. This is not a random removal, this is one that removes the ones that aren't trying.
The way the admins likely calculate the trophies is very simple: find the mean. Add the numbers together, then divide by the number of members. This will be what every member is earning on average, because this is a team competition, not a single-player one. For example, Person A earns 750 trophies, and Person B earns 250 trophies. 1000/2=500, so the average amount is 500. Now Person C has earned 0 trophies. 500+0=500, 500/2=250, the average is 250.
By your reasoning, smaller clans are just kicking back and relaxing, right? No, actually they're working really hard. They're still earning a lot of trophies individually, but as a clan they're earning less in total than an 80+ clan because they have less total members. It would actually be very easy to beat them, just as easy as it would be to beat a same-sized or larger clan. The only advantage smaller clans have is that they know all of their members are trying, but for the same reason, if one member stops, all the other members suffer. Larger clans have a larger crutch to rely on here because they can afford to have a 0-trophy earning member; smaller clans don't and can't.
Since your clan has, as you said, 80+ members, obviously you'd be all for that system because it means you don't have to work as hard. My clan has around 20-some members. We'd be continually playing catch-up with the larger clans, having to earn four times as many trophies to get- a tie? Please, tell me how this is fair and 'benefits everyone', as you say, because it doesn't make sense to me.
I do hope that you're reading this, and not just skimming and responding.
You are doing the explanation better than me.
Heh, thanks. It just bugs me a bit, because that's not a fair way of choosing a winner. Every clan should get an equal shot!
But still, the larger clans have to earn more trophies than the smaller clan so their average is higher. The larger clans have to work twice as hard if not more than the smaller clans to earn more trophies. This way neither a large clan or a small clan is on equal ground for the tournament.
What I'm trying to think through is what other ways would be better to find this equal ground where both clans have equal starting positions and have just as good a chance as the other clan to win, regardless of clan size?
Removing players is simple, but what if those players are active but still not good enough to be a "pro" at racing and even good friends? Removing them just to win a tournament seems like betraying them, for lack of a better term. It is possible to get in the tournament without removing the active players, in small and large amounts of Trophies. TDR proved that this year, Swift Champions did it last year.
Did I say the smaller clans are kicking back and relaxing? I actually expect the smaller clans to work harder than most clans. And in this work they can out work larger clans that think they can just get by. But because of our clan size even though we are quite active, I look at us as either an underdog or on an uphill battle. If we have the mindset of the underdog, we will work harder than if we have the mindset of a big enough clan to get by.
Quite the contrary. I would work harder because all I would have to worry about would be earning trophies. I wouldn't get distracted with trying to make sure I have few enough members in my clan but still have enough members in my clan to earn trophies, worry about making enemies when I'm trying to make friends, worry about what might happen to my current long term members if I did get a rid of the less active players and what they might do in leaving my clan.
I'm trying to figure out the best way to have the least amount of distractions for every clan and clan leader but still be even for all clans to earn trophies and have equal shot at winning in the tournament.
I'm not completely sold on my idea and the way it is currently down. I'm trying hash out my ideas to find the way that works best.
But, doesn't the bigger clans have to do the same thing you say the smaller clans would have to do in my system? Neither way looks to be the best way for Clash of Clans. But talking about this with other people helps both sides to see what is the best way. I believe my way is better, but not the best way. Wouldn't the zero trophy earning member actually bring down the average of the larger clan? Wouldn't the member who is active but only earning a few trophies bring down the average of the larger clan?
I would like something simpler, fewer distractions, easier to understand, so we could concentrate more on the competition and fun of a clan tournament.
But how you feel with your 20 or so member clan that you have to play catch up, I feel with my 80+ member clan. Everyone has to earn more trophies so our clan has a better average. The smaller clans don't have to earn as many trophies to have the same average as the higher clan.
I did read through it and did not skimp in responding to it.
To solve this 80 vs 4 can issue, maybe the next tournament should have a minimum clan size of 10 members? 10 isnt super small but is still harder to manage than 4.
But to me, that doesn't seem fair to the others in the clan that are still active and earns trophies on a regular basis, but is still like an amateur in racing and needs more practice. I feel as though I would be disloyal to them and they wouldn't want to be in my clan anymore. If they joined the clan to be in a high ranking and active clan to one day be in the tournament, if I were to drop them just because they aren't good, they may not stay in my clan after the tournament.
The Dragon Racers did prove that you don't have to make a smaller clan to make it into the tournament. If your clan works hard enough as a clan and a team, it will pay off.
I will only comment once on this in bullets :)
- I am a fan of Vikings
- Clash of the Clans is a battle not to be compared to anything else
- I will only take my best Viking warriors into battle no matter the number and not my farmers, fishermen, and those not ready or fit for battle.
- A true clan member will do what is best for the success of the clan and stay home with all the other clan mates that are not fit for battle while all other fly off to battle in the tournament.
- I do not want to take time to type anymore because I should be in battle right now , gots to go
Putting it that way, it finally makes sense to me, at least about making a smaller clan that is. Still don't like how the trophies are scored. But that is one of the reasons why to make a smaller clan.
Ragkt and Stormstriker217 are probably doing the following, hard:
Double facepalm, when one isn't enough
And they are probably thinking, "We each took how long to explain to this guy about why one should make a smaller clan and he still didn't get it. Then some new guy walks in says a few things and it makes perfect sense. How does that work?"
It makes sense not to take farmers or fishermen (Less active members of the clan) into a battle (into a tournament) as you want your most skilled available to win the battle. Having soldiers with weaker skills may hinder the ones that are trying to win the battle.
I guess where I am coming from is my farmers and fishermen want to be in the battle and are eager to help in any way. Believing that everyone can serve a purpose and I shouldn't leave a man behind when they could do some type of good, I am torn between having a better chance to win the battle without the farmers and fishermen, and finding a way to put the fishermen and farmers to work to do good where others could not, yet still possibly could hinder the chances of winning the battle because the fishermen and farmers are less skilled.
One of the main reasons I don't like how they score the trophies is because it adds distractions from the competition. If all a competitor has to worry about is doing their best and focus on just competing, then the competition will be at its highest. The more distractions that the competitor has to deal with, the more likely they are unable to simply focus on the competition and the level of competition might suffer, thus making for a less competitive match.
But I digress. Maybe I am just thinking way too far into this. And the distractions are only distractions if the competitor allows them to be distracting. I can still think of ways to make Clash of Clans better, but those are even distractions themselves.
Basically, suck it up, deal with it, and move on. Then making my decision with my clan on what I think is best and what the rest of my clan wants to do.
I apologize to you, Ragkt and Stormstriker217, if I came across as a thick-headed, stubborn, viking. I always tried to listen to the both of you and try to understand; and when Worzy put it the way it did, it finally clicked.
Whatever my clan wants to do, that is what I will do as their leader.
2-3 hacker clans making the top 8..... uuummmm can there be another recount? Anyways, Congrats to both Potato clans, Phantom Heroes, Dragon Racers, and Valor!!!! I am hoping to see it come down to one of you guys!!!!
(also, for those who do not know, The Fikang Racers is Walk's/Kekedady/Ares clan... with the help of someone else)
Amazing job SWIFTIES!!!!!!!!!!!! You did amazing and I was so happy to see so many of you racing!
Swifties Swifties Oi Oi Oi!!!!!!!!
Thanks for that. I wish you good luck in the next years tournament :)
I can tell the whole Dragon Racers clan shall give you the greatest graditude.
I wish luck to all participants!
Yeay! I'm happy again :)
Good luck everyone!
I disagree. I have been earning trophies DAY AND NIGHT. I did not sleep at night! I had 54 000 trophies when tournament started. Now I have 73 000.
You really think that I'm such stupid to think that larger clans must beat clans who are smaller? Don' be ridiculous! I actually realize that Fast and Furious Potatoes are 1st. But we worked hard enough to be 2nd. I do not think that our clan must win just because we have lots of members.
Admins must send trophy count !
Why other top- clans rule the game?
ПОНИ ДЫШИ ПРОСТОТ ДЫШИ !!! Мы все равно прошли ! Все хорошо
не показывай себя с той стороны с которой они привыкли видеть нас :с
So you earned your 19,000 trophies where exactly pony? Funny I seen you race once. Using your hacking software again to generate trophies. There is no way you earned them cleanly .
Now you just being childish. There is another option to earn trophys, why are u so sure she is a cheater ? Because u saw her racing once, so what ? that doesn't mean she is a cheater. If u didn't succeed or whatever that doesn't mean u have to or u can accuse people in cheating.
Her claimed trophy for a few days more than confirms she did not face real opponents. 19,000 is not possible for anyone in a week. Or in fireball against real opponents . There are not enough real opponents in fireball to earn 19,000 either.